Message-ID: <20170330121652.2ac8fa62@t450s.home>
Date:   Thu, 30 Mar 2017 12:16:52 -0600
From:   Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>
To:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:     Cao jin <caoj.fnst@...fujitsu.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        kvm@...r.kernel.org, qemu-devel@...gnu.org,
        izumi.taku@...fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] vfio error recovery: kernel support

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 21:00:35 +0300
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 08:55:13PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 03:01:48 +0300
> > "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:12:33AM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:  
> > > > On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:47:00 +0800
> > > > Cao jin <caoj.fnst@...fujitsu.com> wrote:
> > > >     
> > > > > On 03/25/2017 06:12 AM, Alex Williamson wrote:    
> > > > > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:07:31 +0800
> > > > > > Cao jin <caoj.fnst@...fujitsu.com> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A more appropriate patch subject would be:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > vfio-pci: Report correctable errors and slot reset events to user
> > > > > >      
> > > > > 
> > > > > Correctable? It is confusing to me. Correctable error has its clear
> > > > > definition in PCIe spec, shouldn't it be "non-fatal"?    
> > > > 
> > > > My mistake, non-fatal.
> > > >      
> > > > > >> From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>      
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This hardly seems accurate anymore.  You could say Suggested-by and let
> > > > > > Michael add a sign-off, but it's changed since he sent it.
> > > > > >       
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 0. What happens now (PCIE AER only)
> > > > > >>    Fatal errors cause a link reset. Non fatal errors don't.
> > > > > >>    All errors stop the QEMU guest eventually, but not immediately,
> > > > > >>    because it's detected and reported asynchronously.
> > > > > >>    Interrupts are forwarded as usual.
> > > > > >>    Correctable errors are not reported to user at all.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>    Note:
> > > > > >>    PPC EEH is different, but this approach won't affect EEH. EEH treat
> > > > > >>    all errors as fatal ones in AER, so they will still be signalled to user
> > > > > >>    via the legacy eventfd.  Besides, all devices/functions in a PE belongs
> > > > > >>    to the same IOMMU group, so the slot_reset handler in this approach
> > > > > >>    won't affect EEH either.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 1. Correctable errors
> > > > > >>    Hardware can correct these errors without software intervention,
> > > > > >>    clear the error status is enough, this is what already done now.
> > > > > >>    No need to recover it, nothing changed, leave it as it is.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 2. Fatal errors
> > > > > >>    They will induce a link reset. This is troublesome when user is
> > > > > >>    a QEMU guest. This approach doesn't touch the existing mechanism.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 3. Non-fatal errors
> > > > > >>    Before this patch, they are signalled to user the same way as fatal ones.
> > > > > >>    With this patch, a new eventfd is introduced only for non-fatal error
> > > > > >>    notification. By splitting non-fatal ones out, it will benefit AER
> > > > > >>    recovery of a QEMU guest user.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>    To maintain backwards compatibility with userspace, non-fatal errors
> > > > > >>    will continue to trigger via the existing error interrupt index if a
> > > > > >>    non-fatal signaling mechanism has not been registered.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>    Note:
> > > > > >>    In case of PCI Express errors, kernel might request a slot reset
> > > > > >>    affecting our device (from our point of view this is a passive device
> > > > > >>    reset as opposed to an active one requested by vfio itself).
> > > > > >>    This might currently happen if a slot reset is requested by a driver
> > > > > >>    (other than vfio) bound to another device function in the same slot.
> > > > > >>    This will cause our device to lose its state so report this event to
> > > > > >>    userspace.      
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I tried to convey this in my last comments, I don't think this is an
> > > > > > appropriate commit log.  Lead with what is the problem you're trying to
> > > > > > fix and why, what is the benefit to the user, and how is the change
> > > > > > accomplished.  If you want to provide a State of Error Handling in
> > > > > > VFIO, append it after the main points of the commit log.      
> > > > > 
> > > > > ok.
> > > > >     
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I also asked in my previous comments to provide examples of errors that
> > > > > > might trigger correctable errors to the user, this comment seems to
> > > > > > have been missed.  In my experience, AERs generated during device
> > > > > > assignment are generally hardware faults or induced by bad guest
> > > > > > drivers.  These are cases where a single fatal error is an appropriate
> > > > > > and sufficient response.  We've scaled back this support to the point
> > > > > > where we're only improving the situation of correctable errors and I'm
> > > > > > not convinced this is worthwhile and we're not simply checking a box on
> > > > > > an ill-conceived marketing requirements document.      
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sorry. I noticed that question: "what actual errors do we expect
> > > > > userspace to see as non-fatal errors?", but I am confused about it.
> > > > > Correctable, non-fatal, fatal errors are clearly defined in PCIe spec,
> > > > > and Uncorrectable Error Severity Register will tell which is fatal, and
> > > > > which is non-fatal, this register is configurable, they are device
> > > > > specific as I guess. AER core driver distinguish them by
> > > > > pci_channel_io_normal/pci_channel_io_frozen,  So I don't understand your
> > > > > question. Or
> > > > > 
> > > > > Or, Do you mean we could list the default non-fatal error of
> > > > > Uncorrectable Error Severity Register which is provided by PCIe spec?    
> > > > 
> > > > I'm trying to ask why is this patch series useful.  It's clearly
> > > > possible for us to signal non-fatal errors for a device to a guest, but
> > > > why is it necessarily a good idea to do so?  What additional RAS
> > > > feature is gained by this?  Can we give a single example of a real
> > > > world scenario where a guest has been shutdown due to a non-fatal error
> > > > that the guest driver would have handled?    
> > > 
> > > We've been discussing AER for months if not years.
> > > Isn't it a bit too late to ask whether AER recovery
> > > by guests it useful at all?  
> > 
> > 
> > Years, but I think that is more indicative of the persistence of the
> > developers rather than growing acceptance on my part.  For the majority
> > of that we were headed down the path of full AER support with the guest
> > able to invoke bus resets.  It was a complicated solution, but it was
> > more clear that it had some value.   Of course that's been derailed
> > due to various issues and we're now on this partial implementation that
> > only covers non-fatal errors that we assume the guest can recover from
> > without providing it mechanisms to do bus resets.  Is there actual
> > value to this or are we just trying to fill an AER checkbox on
> > someone's marketing sheet?  I don't think it's too much to ask for a
> > commit log to include evidence or discussion about how a feature is
> > actually a benefit to implement.  
> 
> Seems rather self evident but ok.  So something like
> 
> With this patch, guest is able to recover from non-fatal correctable
> errors - as opposed to stopping the guest with no ability to
> recover which was the only option previously.
> 
> Would this address your question?


No, that's just restating the theoretical usefulness of this.  Have you
ever seen a non-fatal error?  Does it ever trigger?  If we can't
provide a real world case of this being useful, can we at least discuss
the types of things that might trigger a non-fatal error for which the
guest could recover?  In patch 3/3 Cao Jin claimed we have a 50% chance
of reducing VM stop conditions, but I suspect this is just a misuse of
statistics, just because there are two choices, fatal vs non-fatal,
does not make them equally likely.  Do we have any idea of the
incidence rate of non-fatal errors?  Is it non-zero?  Thanks,

Alex

> > > > > > I had also commented asking how the hypervisor is expected to know
> > > > > > whether the guest supports AER.  With the existing support of a single
> > > > > > fatal error, the hypervisor halts the VM regardless of the error
> > > > > > severity or guest support.  Now we have the opportunity that the
> > > > > > hypervisor can forward a correctable error to the guest... and hope the
> > > > > > right thing occurs?  I never saw any response to this comment.
> > > > > >       
> > > > > 
> > > > > I noticed this question, you said: "That doesn't imply a problem with
> > > > > this approach, the user (hypervisor) would be at fault for any
> > > > > difference in handling in that case.". Maybe I understand you wrong.
> > > > > 
> > > > > From my limit understanding, QEMU doesn't has a way to know whether a
> > > > > guest has AER support, AER support need several kbuild configuration, I
> > > > > don't know how qemu is expected to know these.    
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Isn't that a problem?  See my reply to QEMU patch 3/3.    
> > > 
> > > Yes but it's the same with bare metal IIUC.  
> > 
> > 
> > I'll defer again to the thread on patch 3/3.  Thanks,
> > 
> > Alex
> >   
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com>
> > > > > >> Signed-off-by: Cao jin <caoj.fnst@...fujitsu.com>
> > > > > >> ---
> > > > > >> v6 changelog:
> > > > > >> Address all the comments from MST.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>  drivers/vfio/pci/vfio_pci.c         | 49 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> > > > > >>  drivers/vfio/pci/vfio_pci_intrs.c   | 38 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > >>  drivers/vfio/pci/vfio_pci_private.h |  2 ++
> > > > > >>  include/uapi/linux/vfio.h           |  2 ++
> > > > > >>  4 files changed, 89 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> diff --git a/drivers/vfio/pci/vfio_pci.c b/drivers/vfio/pci/vfio_pci.c
> > > > > >> index 324c52e..71f9a8a 100644
> > > > > >> --- a/drivers/vfio/pci/vfio_pci.c
> > > > > >> +++ b/drivers/vfio/pci/vfio_pci.c
> > > > > >> @@ -441,7 +441,9 @@ static int vfio_pci_get_irq_count(struct vfio_pci_device *vdev, int irq_type)
> > > > > >>  
> > > > > >>  			return (flags & PCI_MSIX_FLAGS_QSIZE) + 1;
> > > > > >>  		}
> > > > > >> -	} else if (irq_type == VFIO_PCI_ERR_IRQ_INDEX) {
> > > > > >> +	} else if (irq_type == VFIO_PCI_ERR_IRQ_INDEX ||
> > > > > >> +		   irq_type == VFIO_PCI_NON_FATAL_ERR_IRQ_INDEX ||
> > > > > >> +		   irq_type == VFIO_PCI_PASSIVE_RESET_IRQ_INDEX) {      
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Should we add a typdef to alias VFIO_PCI_ERR_IRQ_INDEX to
> > > > > > VFIO_PCI_FATAL_ERR_IRQ?
> > > > > >       
> > > > > >>  		if (pci_is_pcie(vdev->pdev))
> > > > > >>  			return 1;
> > > > > >>  	} else if (irq_type == VFIO_PCI_REQ_IRQ_INDEX) {
> > > > > >> @@ -796,6 +798,8 @@ static long vfio_pci_ioctl(void *device_data,
> > > > > >>  		case VFIO_PCI_REQ_IRQ_INDEX:
> > > > > >>  			break;
> > > > > >>  		case VFIO_PCI_ERR_IRQ_INDEX:
> > > > > >> +		case VFIO_PCI_NON_FATAL_ERR_IRQ_INDEX:
> > > > > >> +		case VFIO_PCI_PASSIVE_RESET_IRQ_INDEX:
> > > > > >>  			if (pci_is_pcie(vdev->pdev))
> > > > > >>  				break;
> > > > > >>  		/* pass thru to return error */
> > > > > >> @@ -1282,7 +1286,9 @@ static pci_ers_result_t vfio_pci_aer_err_detected(struct pci_dev *pdev,
> > > > > >>  
> > > > > >>  	mutex_lock(&vdev->igate);
> > > > > >>  
> > > > > >> -	if (vdev->err_trigger)
> > > > > >> +	if (state == pci_channel_io_normal && vdev->non_fatal_err_trigger)
> > > > > >> +		eventfd_signal(vdev->non_fatal_err_trigger, 1);
> > > > > >> +	else if (vdev->err_trigger)
> > > > > >>  		eventfd_signal(vdev->err_trigger, 1);      
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Should another patch rename err_trigger to fatal_err_trigger to better
> > > > > > describe its new function?
> > > > > >       
> > > > > >>  
> > > > > >>  	mutex_unlock(&vdev->igate);
> > > > > >> @@ -1292,8 +1298,47 @@ static pci_ers_result_t vfio_pci_aer_err_detected(struct pci_dev *pdev,
> > > > > >>  	return PCI_ERS_RESULT_CAN_RECOVER;
> > > > > >>  }
> > > > > >>  
> > > > > >> +/*
> > > > > >> + * In case of PCI Express errors, kernel might request a slot reset
> > > > > >> + * affecting our device (from our point of view, this is a passive device
> > > > > >> + * reset as opposed to an active one requested by vfio itself).
> > > > > >> + * This might currently happen if a slot reset is requested by a driver
> > > > > >> + * (other than vfio) bound to another device function in the same slot.
> > > > > >> + * This will cause our device to lose its state, so report this event to
> > > > > >> + * userspace.
> > > > > >> + */      
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I really dislike "passive reset".  I expect you avoided "slot reset"
> > > > > > because we have other sources where vfio itself initiates a slot
> > > > > > reset.  Is "spurious" more appropriate?  "Collateral"?
> > > > > >       
> > > > > >> +static pci_ers_result_t vfio_pci_aer_slot_reset(struct pci_dev *pdev)
> > > > > >> +{
> > > > > >> +	struct vfio_pci_device *vdev;
> > > > > >> +	struct vfio_device *device;
> > > > > >> +	static pci_ers_result_t err = PCI_ERS_RESULT_NONE;
> > > > > >> +
> > > > > >> +	device = vfio_device_get_from_dev(&pdev->dev);
> > > > > >> +	if (!device)
> > > > > >> +		goto err_dev;
> > > > > >> +
> > > > > >> +	vdev = vfio_device_data(device);
> > > > > >> +	if (!vdev)
> > > > > >> +		goto err_data;
> > > > > >> +
> > > > > >> +	mutex_lock(&vdev->igate);
> > > > > >> +
> > > > > >> +	if (vdev->passive_reset_trigger)
> > > > > >> +		eventfd_signal(vdev->passive_reset_trigger, 1);      
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What are the exact user requirements here, we now have:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A) err_trigger
> > > > > > B) non_fatal_err_trigger
> > > > > > C) passive_reset_trigger
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Currently we only have A, which makes things very simple, we notify on
> > > > > > errors and assume the user doesn't care otherwise.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The expectation here seems to be that A, B, and C are all registered,
> > > > > > but what if they're not?  What if in the above function, only A & B are
> > > > > > registered, do we trigger A here?  Are B & C really intrinsic to each
> > > > > > other and we should continue to issue only A unless both B & C are
> > > > > > registered?  In that case, should we be exposing a single IRQ INDEX to
> > > > > > the user with two sub-indexes, defined as sub-index 0 is correctable
> > > > > > error, sub-index 1 is slot reset, and promote any error to A if they
> > > > > > are not both registered?
> > > > > >       
> > > > > 
> > > > > I will see how to implement these.
> > > > >     

Powered by blists - more mailing lists