linux-kernel - Re: [Question]: try to fix contention between expire_timers and try_to_del_timer

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Date:   Fri, 28 Jul 2017 12:11:35 -0700
From:   Vikram Mulukutla <markivx@...eaurora.org>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     qiaozhou <qiaozhou@...micro.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        John Stultz <john.stultz@...aro.org>, sboyd@...eaurora.org,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Wang Wilbur <wilburwang@...micro.com>,
        Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@....com>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        linux-kernel-owner@...r.kernel.org, sudeep.holla@....com
Subject: Re: [Question]: try to fix contention between expire_timers and
 try_to_del_timer_sync

On 2017-07-28 02:28, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 06:10:34PM -0700, Vikram Mulukutla wrote:
> 
>> I think we should have this discussion now - I brought this up earlier 
>> [1]
>> and I promised a test case that I completely forgot about - but here 
>> it
>> is (attached). Essentially a Big CPU in an acquire-check-release loop
>> will have an unfair advantage over a little CPU concurrently 
>> attempting
>> to acquire the same lock, in spite of the ticket implementation. If 
>> the Big
>> CPU needs the little CPU to make forward progress : livelock.
> 
> This needs to be fixed in hardware. There really isn't anything the
> software can sanely do about it.
> 
> It also doesn't have anything to do with the spinlock implementation.
> Ticket or not, its a fundamental problem of LL/SC. Any situation where
> we use atomics for fwd progress guarantees this can happen.
> 

Agreed, it seems like trying to build a fair SW protocol over unfair HW.
But if we can minimally change such loop constructs to address this (all
instances I've seen so far use cpu_relax) it would save a lot of hours
spent debugging these problems. Lot of b.L devices out there :-)

It's also possible that such a workaround may help contention 
performance
since the big CPU may have to wait for say a tick before breaking out of
that loop (the non-livelock scenario where the entire loop isn't in a
critical section).

> The little core (or really any core) should hold on to the locked
> cacheline for a while and not insta relinquish it. Giving it a chance 
> to
> reach the SC.

Thanks,
Vikram

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