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Date:   Tue, 24 Jul 2018 07:14:02 +1000
From:   Balbir Singh <bsingharora@...il.com>
To:     Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>
Cc:     Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        "akpm@...ux-foundation.org" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, surenb@...gle.com,
        Vinayak Menon <vinmenon@...eaurora.org>,
        Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>,
        Mike Galbraith <efault@....de>,
        Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com>,
        linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>, cgroups@...r.kernel.org,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        kernel-team@...com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/10] psi: pressure stall information for CPU, memory, and
 IO v2

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 3:27 AM Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org> wrote:
>
> PSI aggregates and reports the overall wallclock time in which the
> tasks in a system (or cgroup) wait for contended hardware resources.
>
> This helps users understand the resource pressure their workloads are
> under, which allows them to rootcause and fix throughput and latency
> problems caused by overcommitting, underprovisioning, suboptimal job
> placement in a grid, as well as anticipate major disruptions like OOM.
>
> This version 2 of the series incorporates a ton of feedback from
> PeterZ and SurenB; more details at the end of this email.
>
>                 Real-world applications
>
> We're using the data collected by psi (and its previous incarnation,
> memdelay) quite extensively at Facebook, with several success stories.
>
> One usecase is avoiding OOM hangs/livelocks. The reason these happen
> is because the OOM killer is triggered by reclaim not being able to
> free pages, but with fast flash devices there is *always* some clean
> and uptodate cache to reclaim; the OOM killer never kicks in, even as
> tasks spend 90% of the time thrashing the cache pages of their own
> executables. There is no situation where this ever makes sense in
> practice. We wrote a <100 line POC python script to monitor memory
> pressure and kill stuff way before such pathological thrashing leads
> to full system losses that require forcible hard resets.
>
> We've since extended and deployed this code into other places to
> guarantee latency and throughput SLAs, since they're usually violated
> way before the kernel OOM killer would ever kick in.
>
> The idea is to eventually incorporate this back into the kernel, so
> that Linux can avoid OOM livelocks (which TECHNICALLY aren't memory
> deadlocks, but for the user indistinguishable) out of the box.
>
> We also use psi memory pressure for loadshedding. Our batch job
> infrastructure used to use heuristics based on various VM stats to
> anticipate OOM situations, with lackluster success. We switched it to
> psi and managed to anticipate and avoid OOM kills and hangs fairly
> reliably. The reduction of OOM outages in the worker pool raised the
> pool's aggregate productivity, and we were able to switch that service
> to smaller machines.
>
> Lastly, we use cgroups to isolate a machine's main workload from
> maintenance crap like package upgrades, logging, configuration, as
> well as to prevent multiple workloads on a machine from stepping on
> each others' toes. We were not able to configure this properly without
> the pressure metrics; we would see latency or bandwidth drops, but it
> would often be hard to impossible to rootcause it post-mortem.
>
> We now log and graph pressure for the containers in our fleet and can
> trivially link latency spikes and throughput drops to shortages of
> specific resources after the fact, and fix the job config/scheduling.
>
> I've also recieved feedback and feature requests from Android for the
> purpose of low-latency OOM killing. The on-demand stats aggregation in
> the last patch of this series is for this purpose, to allow Android to
> react to pressure before the system starts visibly hanging.
>
>                 How do you use this feature?
>
> A kernel with CONFIG_PSI=y will create a /proc/pressure directory with
> 3 files: cpu, memory, and io. If using cgroup2, cgroups will also have
> cpu.pressure, memory.pressure and io.pressure files, which simply
> aggregate task stalls at the cgroup level instead of system-wide.
>
> The cpu file contains one line:
>
>         some avg10=2.04 avg60=0.75 avg300=0.40 total=157656722
>
> The averages give the percentage of walltime in which one or more
> tasks are delayed on the runqueue while another task has the
> CPU. They're recent averages over 10s, 1m, 5m windows, so you can tell
> short term trends from long term ones, similarly to the load average.
>

Does the mechanism scale? I am a little concerned about how frequently
this infrastructure is monitored/read/acted upon. Why aren't existing
mechanisms sufficient -- why is the avg delay calculation in the
kernel?

> The total= value gives the absolute stall time in microseconds. This
> allows detecting latency spikes that might be too short to sway the
> running averages. It also allows custom time averaging in case the
> 10s/1m/5m windows aren't adequate for the usecase (or are too coarse
> with future hardware).
>
> What to make of this "some" metric? If CPU utilization is at 100% and
> CPU pressure is 0, it means the system is perfectly utilized, with one
> runnable thread per CPU and nobody waiting. At two or more runnable
> tasks per CPU, the system is 100% overcommitted and the pressure
> average will indicate as much. From a utilization perspective this is
> a great state of course: no CPU cycles are being wasted, even when 50%
> of the threads were to go idle (as most workloads do vary). From the
> perspective of the individual job it's not great, however, and they
> would do better with more resources. Depending on what your priority
> and options are, raised "some" numbers may or may not require action.
>
> The memory file contains two lines:
>
> some avg10=70.24 avg60=68.52 avg300=69.91 total=3559632828
> full avg10=57.59 avg60=58.06 avg300=60.38 total=3300487258
>
> The some line is the same as for cpu, the time in which at least one
> task is stalled on the resource. In the case of memory, this includes
> waiting on swap-in, page cache refaults and page reclaim.
>
> The full line, however, indicates time in which *nobody* is using the
> CPU productively due to pressure: all non-idle tasks are waiting for
> memory in one form or another. Significant time spent in there is a
> good trigger for killing things, moving jobs to other machines, or
> dropping incoming requests, since neither the jobs nor the machine
> overall are making too much headway.
>
> The io file is similar to memory. Because the block layer doesn't have
> a concept of hardware contention right now (how much longer is my IO
> request taking due to other tasks?), it reports CPU potential lost on
> all IO delays, not just the potential lost due to competition.
>

There is no talk about the overhead this introduces in general, may be
the details are in the patches. I'll read through them

Balbir Singh.

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