linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/4][RFC v2] Introduce the in-kernel hibernation encryption

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Message-ID: <20180724120541.GE26036@amd>
Date:   Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:05:41 +0200
From:   Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:     Yu Chen <yu.c.chen@...el.com>
Cc:     Oliver Neukum <oneukum@...e.com>,
        "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com>,
        Eric Biggers <ebiggers@...gle.com>,
        "Lee, Chun-Yi" <jlee@...e.com>, Theodore Ts o <tytso@....edu>,
        Stephan Mueller <smueller@...onox.de>,
        Denis Kenzior <denkenz@...il.com>, linux-pm@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        "Gu, Kookoo" <kookoo.gu@...el.com>,
        "Zhang, Rui" <rui.zhang@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4][RFC v2] Introduce the in-kernel hibernation
 encryption

Hi!

> > > Yes. But you are objecting to encryption in kernel space at all,
> > > aren't you?
> > 
> > I don't particulary love the idea of doing hibernation encryption in
> > the kernel, correct.
> > 
> > But we have this weird thing called secure boot, some people seem to
> > want. So we may need some crypto in the kernel -- but I'd like
> > something that works with uswsusp, too. Plus, it is mandatory that
> > patch explains what security guarantees they want to provide against
> > what kinds of attacks...
> > 
> > Lee, Chun-Yi's patch seemed more promising.				Pavel
> > 
> The only difference between Chun-Yi's hibernation encrytion solution
> and our solution is that his strategy encrypts the snapshot from sratch, 
> and ours encryts each page before them going to block device. The benefit
> of his solution is that the snapshot can be encrypt in kernel first
> thus the uswsusp is allowed  to read it to user space even kernel
> is lock down. And I had a discussion with Chun-Yi that we can use
> his snapshot solution to make uswsusp happy, and we share the crypto
> help code and he can also use our user provided key for his signature.
> >From this point of view, our code are actually the same, except that
> we can help clean up the code and also enhance some encrytion process
> for his solution. I don't know why you don't like encryption in kernel, 
> because from my point of view, without encryption hibernation in kernel,
> uswsusp could not be enabled if kernel is lock down : -) Or do I miss something?

We can do encryption in kernel if really needed, but I don't have to
like it, do I? :-).

I understand what Chun-Yi's code is trying to do. I can't say the same
about yours.
									Pavel
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