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Date:   Wed, 5 Sep 2018 10:21:51 +0000
From:   "Haibo Xu (Arm Technology China)" <Haibo.Xu@....com>
To:     Richard Weinberger <richard@....at>
CC:     Will Deacon <Will.Deacon@....com>,
        Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@....com>,
        "linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org" 
        <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        nd <nd@....com>, "jdike@...toit.com" <jdike@...toit.com>
Subject: 答复: 答复: [PATCH] arm64/ptrace: add PTRACE_SYSEMU and PTRACE_SYSEMU_SINGLESTEP support

On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 03:45:51AM +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 4. September 2018, 04:11:07 CEST schrieb Haibo Xu (Arm Technology China):
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> > What do you mean by done it in the core? moving macro definition to include/uapi/linux/ptrace.h?
> >The patch is strictly follow x86's sematic on PTRACE_SYSEMU/SINGLESTEP support.
>
> Well, the feature itself is not really architecture specific.
> Just because x86 does it in arch/x86, it does not mean that this is the best way.
> I guess this is also what Will tried to say.
> If we can, we should implement PTRACE_SYSEMU in the core ptrace code and not per architecture.
>

Yes, the feature is common on x86/ARM64, and there are many duplicated codes
on both architecture specific ptrace codes. But to unify these codes may take more time,
we need to re-evaluate the workload.

> > > > I wonder what Haibo Xu want to do with PTRACE_SYSEMU on arm64.
> > > > Are you porting UML or gvisor to arm64?
> > >
> > > That's a good question. Haibo?
> >
> > The story is we are working on a container runtime(Google Gvisor)
> > support on ARM64 platform, and the Gvisor depend on Linux kernel PTRACE_SYSEMU/SINGLESTEP support.
>
> Gvisor also supports a kvm backend which should be *much* faster than PTRACE_SYSEMU.
> Otherwise gvisor suffers from the same performance drawbacks as UML does.
> Pagefaults via SIGSEGV/mmap, syscall gate via ptrace().
>
> Did you check, is PTRACE_SYSEMU really the way to go for gvisor?
> Last time I checked the KVM backend looked promising but still WIP, though.
>

Gvisor do support two platforms, ptrace and kvm. To support ptrace platform on ARM64 is our first step.
From the long run, KVM would be a better choice, and we will work on it after ptrace platform get worked.

> I also wonder whether PTRACE_SYSEMU is really the only missing bit to support gvisor on arm64. Did you check how to work around VIPT/VIVT caching issues?
> UML (and gvisor in this context) have lots of implicit x86 dependencies.

As far as we know,  PTRACE_SYSEMU is the only missing bit that needed in Linux kernel to support Gvisor on ARM64.
For the VIPT/VIVT caching issues, we haven't look into it.  Could you help share more info about the issue?

Thanks,

Haibo

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Richard Weinberger <richard@....at>
发送时间: 2018年9月5日 3:45
收件人: Haibo Xu (Arm Technology China) <Haibo.Xu@....com>
抄送: Will Deacon <Will.Deacon@....com>; Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@....com>; linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; nd <nd@....com>; jdike@...toit.com
主题: Re: 答复: [PATCH] arm64/ptrace: add PTRACE_SYSEMU and PTRACE_SYSEMU_SINGLESTEP support

Am Dienstag, 4. September 2018, 04:11:07 CEST schrieb Haibo Xu (Arm Technology China):
> Hi Richard,
>
> What do you mean by done it in the core? moving macro definition to include/uapi/linux/ptrace.h?
> The patch is strictly follow x86's sematic on PTRACE_SYSEMU/SINGLESTEP support.

Well, the feature itself is not really architecture specific.
Just because x86 does it in arch/x86, it does not mean that this is the best way.
I guess this is also what Will tried to say.
If we can, we should implement PTRACE_SYSEMU in the core ptrace code and not per architecture.

> > > I wonder what Haibo Xu want to do with PTRACE_SYSEMU on arm64.
> > > Are you porting UML or gvisor to arm64?
> >
> > That's a good question. Haibo?
>
> The story is we are working on a container runtime(Google Gvisor)
> support on ARM64 platform, and the Gvisor depend on Linux kernel PTRACE_SYSEMU/SINGLESTEP support.

Gvisor also supports a kvm backend which should be *much* faster than PTRACE_SYSEMU.
Otherwise gvisor suffers from the same performance drawbacks as UML does.
Pagefaults via SIGSEGV/mmap, syscall gate via ptrace().

Did you check, is PTRACE_SYSEMU really the way to go for gvisor?
Last time I checked the KVM backend looked promising but still WIP, though.

I also wonder whether PTRACE_SYSEMU is really the only missing bit to support gvisor on arm64. Did you check how to work around VIPT/VIVT caching issues?
UML (and gvisor in this context) have lots of implicit x86 dependencies.

Thanks,
//richard

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