linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] power: supply: core: Introduce one property to present the battery internal resistance

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Message-ID: <CAMz4ku+H5Z_W5rE0b3GDz2E0YSZshEerufZ41yeh_E5omD6KLA@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:30:39 +0800
From:   Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@...aro.org>
To:     Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...aro.org>
Cc:     Sebastian Reichel <sre@...nel.org>,
        Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
        Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
        Linux PM list <linux-pm@...r.kernel.org>,
        "open list:OPEN FIRMWARE AND FLATTENED DEVICE TREE BINDINGS" 
        <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        yuanjiang.yu@...soc.com, Mark Brown <broonie@...nel.org>,
        Craig Tatlor <ctatlor97@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] power: supply: core: Introduce one property to
 present the battery internal resistance

Hi Linus,

On 26 September 2018 at 16:00, Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...aro.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 4:59 AM Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@...aro.org> wrote:
>
>> Introduce one property to present the battery internal resistance for battery
>> information.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@...aro.org>
>> ---
>> Changes from v1:
>>  - New patch in v2.
>
> I'm a bit confused by the physics in this patch.
>
> The internal resistance of a battery is not a constant in its life cycle,
> this varies over the age of the battery, and the reason I thing is
> chemical residuals accumulating on the anode and cathode inside
> the battery and the energy storage medium aging. (Plus/minus my
> ignorance about how batteries actually work.)

Yes, you are right. The internal resistance can be affected by
temperature or battery age or other factors. But our solution just
uses one constant internal resistance to calculate OCV value to look
up the capacity table when system boots on, in this case we do not
need one more accuracy OCV, since we will calculate the battery
capacity in future. So we just introduce one estimation constant
internal resistance.

>
> AFAIK the fact that the internal resistance varies is of high
> importance for people developing algorithms of battery capacity
> and longevity. Such that some (hardware) capacity monitors go
> to great lengths to measure with high precision the current
> internal resistance of the battery for their algorithms.
>
> Sorry for making things more complex, but should it be named
> "factory-internal-resistance-micro-ohms" or
> "typical-internal-resistance-micro-ohms"?

I am fine with this change. If Sebastian also agree with this change,
I will fix.
Thanks for your reviewing and comments.

-- 
Baolin Wang
Best Regards