linux-kernel - Re: [patch V2 21/28] x86/speculation: Prepare for conditional IBPB in switch

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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1811252316560.1684@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
Date:   Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:20:50 +0100 (CET)
From:   Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
To:     Andi Kleen <ak@...ux.intel.com>
cc:     LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, x86@...nel.org,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
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        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>,
        Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@....com>,
        Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>,
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        Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@...ux.intel.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
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        Asit Mallick <asit.k.mallick@...el.com>,
        Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...ux.intel.com>,
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        Waiman Long <longman9394@...il.com>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Dave Stewart <david.c.stewart@...el.com>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Subject: Re: [patch V2 21/28] x86/speculation: Prepare for conditional IBPB
 in switch_mm()

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018, Andi Kleen wrote:

> > The current check whether two tasks belong to the same context is using the
> > tasks context id. While correct, it's simpler to use the mm pointer because
> > it allows to mangle the TIF_SPEC_IB bit into it. The context id based
> > mechanism requires extra storage, which creates worse code.
> 
> [We tried similar in some really early versions, but it was replaced
> with the context id later.]
> 
> One issue with using the pointer is that the pointer can be reused
> when the original mm_struct is freed, and then gets reallocated
> immediately to an attacker. Then the attacker may avoid the IBPB.
> 
> Given it's probably hard to generate any reasonable leak bandwidth with
> such a complex scenario, but it still seemed better to close the hole.

Sorry, but that's really a purely academic exercise. 

Thanks,

	tglx