linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] PCI / ACPI: Identify untrusted PCI devices

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Message-ID: <20181128203128.GA178809@google.com>
Date:   Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:31:28 -0600
From:   Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org>
To:     Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@...ux.intel.com>
Cc:     iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org, Joerg Roedel <joro@...tes.org>,
        David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
        Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com>,
        Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@...el.com>,
        "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...ysocki.net>,
        Jacob jun Pan <jacob.jun.pan@...el.com>,
        Andreas Noever <andreas.noever@...il.com>,
        Michael Jamet <michael.jamet@...el.com>,
        Yehezkel Bernat <YehezkelShB@...il.com>,
        Lukas Wunner <lukas@...ner.de>,
        Christian Kellner <ckellner@...hat.com>,
        Mario.Limonciello@...l.com,
        Anthony Wong <anthony.wong@...onical.com>,
        Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@....com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
        Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>,
        linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org, linux-pci@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] PCI / ACPI: Identify untrusted PCI devices

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 10:54:26AM +0200, Mika Westerberg wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 06:17:11PM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > Hi Mika,
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 02:15:23PM +0300, Mika Westerberg wrote:
> > > Recent systems with Thunderbolt ports may support IOMMU natively.
> > 
> > This sentence doesn't make sense to me.  There's no logical connection
> > between having an IOMMU and having a Thunderbolt port.
> > 
> > > This means that the platform utilizes IOMMU to prevent DMA attacks
> > > over externally exposed PCIe root ports (typically Thunderbolt
> > > ports)
> > 
> > Nor this one.  The platform only uses the IOMMU to prevent DMA attacks
> > if the OS chooses to do that.

I think by "platform" you're referring to the system firmware; I was
only thinking of the hardware, so the IOMMU wouldn't be used unless
someone (the OS) enabled it.  But your cover letter talks about the
BIOS enabling some IOMMU functionality.

> I guess I'm trying to say here that the recent changes add such support
> to the platform BIOS that allows the OS to enable IOMMU without being
> compromised by a malicious device that is already connected. The BIOS
> sets the new ACPI DMAR bit in that case.

Ah, there's useful info to this effect in your [0/4] cover letter.
That info and the URL should be in the changelog of one of the patches so
it doesn't get lost.

> > > The system BIOS marks these PCIe root ports as being externally facing
> > > ports by implementing following ACPI _DSD [1] under the root port in
> > > question:
> > 
> > There's no standard that requires this, so the best we can say is that
> > a system BIOS *may* mark externally facing ports with this mechanism.
> 
> There is no standard but I'm quite sure this is something that will be
> required to be implemented properly by the OEM by Microsoft hardware
> compatibility suite.

Sure.  Your statement suggests that all external ports will be marked
with the _DSD.  I'm just pointing out that the OS can't assume that
because there are probably systems in the field that predate the _DSD.

Bjorn