Message-ID: <e724b761-d034-35ef-1fd7-881174b6b27c@xs4all.nl>
Date:   Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:41:45 +0100
From:   Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@...all.nl>
To:     Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@...omium.org>
Cc:     Tomasz Figa <tfiga@...omium.org>,
        Stanimir Varbanov <stanimir.varbanov@...aro.org>,
        mgottam@...eaurora.org, Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@...nel.org>,
        Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@...r.kernel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-arm-msm@...r.kernel.org, vgarodia@...eaurora.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] media: venus: amend buffer size for bitstream plane

On 11/27/2018 09:16 AM, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 1:41 AM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@...all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/26/2018 05:07 PM, Tomasz Figa wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 1:00 AM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@...all.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/26/2018 04:44 PM, Tomasz Figa wrote:
>>>>> Hi Hans,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:24 AM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@...all.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/26/2018 03:57 PM, Stanimir Varbanov wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Hans,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/26/18 3:37 PM, Hans Verkuil wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/26/2018 11:12 AM, Malathi Gottam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Accept the buffer size requested by client and compare it
>>>>>>>>> against driver calculated size and set the maximum to
>>>>>>>>> bitstream plane.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Malathi Gottam <mgottam@...eaurora.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, this isn't allowed. It is the driver that sets the sizeimage value,
>>>>>>>> never the other way around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think for decoders (OUTPUT queue) and encoders (CAPTURE queue) we
>>>>>>> allowed userspace to set sizeimage for buffers. See [1] Initialization
>>>>>>> paragraph point 2:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     ``sizeimage``
>>>>>>>        desired size of ``CAPTURE`` buffers; the encoder may adjust it to
>>>>>>>        match hardware requirements
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Similar patch we be needed for decoder as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may have missed that change since it wasn't present in v1 of the stateful
>>>>>> encoder spec.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been there from the very beginning, even before I started working
>>>>> on it. Actually, even the early slides from Kamil mention the
>>>>> application setting the buffer size for compressed streams:
>>>>> https://events.static.linuxfound.org/images/stories/pdf/lceu2012_debski.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomasz, what was the reason for this change? I vaguely remember some thread
>>>>>> about this, but I forgot the details. Since this would be a departure of
>>>>>> the current API this should be explained in more detail.
>>>>>
>>>>> The kernel is not the place to encode assumptions about optimal
>>>>> bitstream chunk sizes. It depends on the use case and the application
>>>>> should be able decide. It may for example want to use smaller buffers,
>>>>> optimizing for the well compressible video streams and just reallocate
>>>>> if bigger chunks are needed.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't really see the point of requiring userspace to fill this in. For
>>>>>> stateful codecs it can just return some reasonable size. Possibly calculated
>>>>>> using the provided width/height values or (if those are 0) some default value.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do we decide what's "reasonable"? Would it be reasonable for all
>>>>> applications?
>>>>
>>>> In theory it should be the minimum size that the hardware supports. But it is
>>>> silly to i.e. provide the size of one PAGE as the minimum. In practice you
>>>> probably want to set sizeimage to something larger than that. Depending on
>>>> the typical compression ratio perhaps 5 or 10% of what a raw YUV 4:2:0 frame
>>>> would be.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ditto for decoders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stanimir, I certainly cannot merge this until this has been fully nailed down
>>>>>> as it would be a departure from the current API.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would not be a departure, because I can see existing stateful
>>>>> drivers behaving like that:
>>>>> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.20-rc4/source/drivers/media/platform/s5p-mfc/s5p_mfc_enc.c#L1444
>>>>> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.20-rc4/source/drivers/media/platform/mtk-vcodec/mtk_vcodec_enc.c#L469
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and that's out of spec. Clearly v4l2-compliance doesn't test for this.
>>>> It should have been caught at least for the mtk driver.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should make it a part of the spec then?
>>>
>>> Actually I'm not really sure if we can say that this is out of spec
>>> There has been no clear spec for the stateful codecs for many years,
>>> with drivers doing wildly whatever they like and applications ending
>>> up relying on those quirks.
>>
>> The VIDIOC_S_FMT spec for v4l2_pix_format is quite clear that it is the
>> driver that sets this value. The spec for v4l2_plane_pix_format is
>> unfortunately not so clear.
>>
>>> My spec actually attempts to incorporate what was decided on the
>>> earlier summits, including what's in Kamil's slides, the drivers are
>>> already doing and existing applications rely on. The sizeimage
>>> handling is just a part of it.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, Chromium has been setting the size on its own for long time
>>>>> using its own heuristics.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And looking at the venus patch I do not see how it helps userspace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Hans
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you need to allocate larger buffers, then use VIDIOC_CREATE_BUFS instead
>>>>>>>> of VIDIOC_REQBUFS.
>>>>>
>>>>> CREATE_BUFS wouldn't work, because one needs to use TRY_FMT to obtain
>>>>> a format for it and the format returned by it would have the sizeimage
>>>>> as hardcoded in the driver...
>>>>
>>>> ???
>>>>
>>>> Userspace can change the sizeimage to whatever it wants before calling
>>>> CREATE_BUFS as long as it is >= the sizeimage of the current format.
>>>>
>>>> If we want to allow smaller sizes, then I think that would not be
>>>> unreasonable for stateful codecs. I actually think that drivers can
>>>> already do this in queue_setup(), but the spec would have to be updated
>>>> a bit.
>>>
>>> Existing applications rely on REQBUFS honoring the size they set in
>>> sizeimage, though...
>>
>> REQBUFS, yes. But not CREATE_BUFS. Which is why that ioctl was added in the
>> first place.
>>
>> However (and now I remember the real problem with CREATE_BUFS) the spec for
>> CREATE_BUFS says that it will not change the provided sizeimage value. So
>> any adjustments required due to specific alignment requirements won't be
>> applied, all CREATE_BUFS can do is to reject it.
>>
>> So what this boils down to is a change to the spec:
>>
>> For compressed formats (and only those!) userspace can set sizeimage to a
>> proposed value. The driver may either ignore it and just set its own value,
>> or modify it to satisfy HW requirements. The returned value will be used
>> by REQBUFS when it allocates buffers.
>>
>> I think this is reasonable, provided the spec is updated accordingly.
>>
>> As far as I can tell this shouldn't cause any backwards compatibility
>> problems, and it should be easy to test in v4l2-compliance.
> 
> Do you mean that this patch is acceptable provided the stateful codec
> specification is updated accordingly?

Yes. Although I would update the spec in a separate patch. It is not really
part of the codec spec as such, more a prerequisite.

Regards,

	Hans

> For our (Chromium) needs this seems to do the job, so:
> 
> Tested-by: Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@...omium.org>
> 
> Although I would like to also have the equivalent for the decoder's
> OUTPUT queue, either as a v4 or a follow-up patch.
> 

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