Message-ID: <20190206163544.rwzinr75cw262njv@pengutronix.de>
Date:   Wed, 6 Feb 2019 17:35:44 +0100
From:   Uwe Kleine-König 
        <u.kleine-koenig@...gutronix.de>
To:     Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@...il.com>
Cc:     Yash Shah <yash.shah@...ive.com>,
        Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@...ive.com>, linux-pwm@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-riscv@...ts.infradead.org, robh+dt@...nel.org,
        mark.rutland@....com, devicetree@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Sachin Ghadi <sachin.ghadi@...ive.com>,
        Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@...ive.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/2] pwm: sifive: Add DT documentation for SiFive PWM
 Controller

On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 05:16:34PM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 04:38:54PM +0100, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 01:40:55PM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 04:18:47PM +0530, Yash Shah wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 1:44 PM Uwe Kleine-König
> > > > > <u.kleine-koenig@...gutronix.de> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 05:13:18PM +0530, Yash Shah wrote:
> > > > > > > DT documentation for PWM controller added.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Wesley W. Terpstra <wesley@...ive.com>
> > > > > > > [Atish: Compatible string update]
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Atish Patra <atish.patra@....com>
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Yash Shah <yash.shah@...ive.com>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > >  .../devicetree/bindings/pwm/pwm-sifive.txt         | 33 ++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > > >  1 file changed, 33 insertions(+)
> > > > > > >  create mode 100644 Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pwm/pwm-sifive.txt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pwm/pwm-sifive.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pwm/pwm-sifive.txt
> > > > > > > new file mode 100644
> > > > > > > index 0000000..8dcb40d
> > > > > > > --- /dev/null
> > > > > > > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pwm/pwm-sifive.txt
> > > > > > > @@ -0,0 +1,33 @@
> > > > > > > +SiFive PWM controller
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +Unlike most other PWM controllers, the SiFive PWM controller currently only
> > > > > > > +supports one period for all channels in the PWM. This is set globally in DTS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can simply drop this if the first user can set this using the usual
> > > > > > interface. Don't you like this suggestion that I already made a few
> > > > > > times now?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you consider to make the driver support only a single output with a
> > > > > > more flexible period setting?
> > > > > 
> > > > > We cannot consider supporting only single output since we have boards that
> > > > > use the additional PWM channels to control individual LED brightness
> > > > > of a tri-color LED.
> > > > > If we go down to one channel, then we can't control the brightness of
> > > > > the individual LEDs.
> > > > > It will break the use case.
> > > > 
> > > > OK.
> > > > 
> > > > > I am considering the below approach, let me know if it's fine by you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > - Drop the global period property and allow the only first user to change period
> > > > > using the usual interface.
> > > > > - A note in the binding that all PWMs need to run at the same
> > > > > period. If the driver already refuses to apply incompatible periods,
> > > > > the users are going to notice that they've got the DT wrong.
> > > > > - In driver code, count the users using the .request and .free callbacks.
> > > > > Based on this, allow changes to period iff the user count is one.
> > > > 
> > > > Not sure you need to point this limitation in the binding doc. Other
> > > > than that this is fine.
> > > 
> > > I think it's useful to point this out in the binding documentation since
> > > it's something that device tree writers will want to know.
> > 
> > OK, we're talking about an FPGA implementation but I still think if the
> > dt-author is the first to know about this limitation this is too late.
> > The hardware designer must know about that, and they don't look into the
> > bindind documentation. The binding documentation should IMHO only
> > describe the binding and functional limitiations of the device are out
> > of scope.
> > 
> > The binding for the Freescale network interface doesn't describe that it
> > only supports 480 MBit/s in its GHz mode, and that's good. The binding
> > for i2c devices doesn't describe that a reboot in the middle of a
> > transfer might block the bus.
> > 
> > The target for the binding documentation is to document how a given
> > device is described in a device tree. It's not there to duplicate
> > information that belongs in the reference manual.
> 
> But the device tree bindings for PWM devices describe where and how to
> describe the period for each PWM that you reference. That's entirely
> different from the examples that you give above.

Ah right, I had not on my radar that the binding also gives a suggestion
for the period. Then yes, I agree that pointing out that all pwms
belonging to the same provider should have matching periods is a good
idea.

Is using this "typical" approach to specify the period in a pwm-list a
bad idea for this device type for this reason? On the other hand
diverting from the typical approach has its own cost. Not sure ...

Best regards
Uwe

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