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Date:   Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:12:03 +0100
From:   Hans de Goede <>
To:     Pavel Machek <>
Cc:     Jacek Anaszewski <>,
        Yauhen Kharuzhy <>,,
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] leds: Add Intel Cherry Trail Whiskey Cove PMIC


On 17-02-19 18:45, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>>> I see... and yes, that would be the easiest solution.
>>> But somehow I see "this LED is controlled by charging state" as
>>> primary and "it shows pulses instead of staying on" as secondary
>>> eye-candy.
>>> This week there was another driver for charger LED.. but that one does
>>> not do pulses. Ideally, we'd like consistent interface to the
>>> userland.
>>> (To make it complex, the other driver supports things like:
>>>    LED solid on -- fully charged
>>>    LED blinking slowly -- charging
>>>    LED blinking fast -- charge error
>>>    LED off -- not charging).
>> Something like that could be supported with my original hw_pattern
>> proposal where we simply encode all of this in the hw-pattern file:
>> tupple0: charging blinking_on_time
>> tupple1: charging blinking_off_time
>> tupple2: charging breathing_time
>> tupple3: manual blinking_on_time
>> tupple4: manual blinking_off_time
>> tupple5: manual breathing_time
> So the userland would need to know "I'm on yoga, so 3rd tupple sets up
> breathing when charging"?

Yes this is for the hw_pattern file not the regular pattern file and if I've
understood things correctly then the hw_pattern file is often (always?)
specific to the LED controller model. See e.g. :

Also userland is not really expected to touch this, the user himself
could touch it if he/she wants to customize things.

>> So for this chip you mention, we do not need the breathing time (no breathing support),
>> so we would get the following tupples:
>> tupple0: not charging blinking_on_time
>> tupple1: not charging blinking_off_time
>> tupple2: slow charging blinking_on_time
>> tupple3: slow charging blinking_off_time
>> tupple4: fast charging blinking_on_time
>> tupple5: fast charging blinking_off_time
>> tupple6: charging error blinking_on_time
>> tupple7: charging error blinking_off_time
> Patterns and their meanings are fixed (or almost) on that driver, so
> fortunately that will not be neccessary.

Ok, so back the Whiskey Cove PMIC LED controller, I think
there was some agreement to add a hw_control sysfs
attribute and simplify the hw_pattern ABI to:

tupple0: blinking_on_time
tupple1: blinking_off_time
tupple2: breathing_time

You suggested adding support for a hw_control
sysfs attribute to the core, activated by a flag.

I assume that there will then be a callback into the
driver when that file gets written. The semantics for
the Whiskey Cove PMIC LED controller are clear, but
how should the patch adding support for this to the LED core
describe the new hw_control sysfs attribute in:
Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led ?

Or do you just want to have the basic handling in the
core and then describe the semantics in a per LED controller
way like how we do for hw_pattern, so for the
Whiskey Cove PMIC LED controller we would add a:
file, which we need to do anyways for the hw_pattern file?

<snip stuff about N900>



>> Where by solid on/off can be done by setting one
>> of the blinking times to 0.
>> Having hw_pattern ABIs like this where some of
>> the tupples only activate on certain conditions
>> might be better then a hardware_control sysfs
>> file as it offers more flexibility.
> Agreed about flexibility, but I don't think it does enough to provide
> hardware abstraction. It might be too much flexibility.
> Also it only works with hw controlled LEDs.
> With RGB LED multiple patterns per LED make a lot of sense (as there's
> typically just one led.
> For example on N900, we have
> green: fully charged.
> yellow pulsing: charging.
> solid yellow: hardware feature, emergency charging.
> white pulsing: happy phone, no events
> blue fast pulses: message waiting
> On N900, I'm handling that in userspace, but...
> Best regards,
> 									Pavel

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