linux-kernel - Re: Potentially missing "memory" clobbers in bitops.h for x86

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Date:   Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:44:14 -0700
From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.ibm.com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        Alexander Potapenko <glider@...gle.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Dmitriy Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>,
        James Y Knight <jyknight@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: Potentially missing "memory" clobbers in bitops.h for x86

On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 12:53:48PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 03:05:54PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 02:51:26PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > > On 3/29/19 2:09 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Note: the atomic versions of these functions obviously need to have
> > > >> "volatile" and the clobber anyway, as they are by definition barriers
> > > >> and moving memory operations around them would be a very serious error.
> > > > 
> > > > The atomic functions that return void don't need to order anything except
> > > > the input and output arguments.  The oddness with clear_bit() is that the
> > > > memory changed isn't necessarily the quantity referenced by the argument,
> > > > if the number of bits specified is large.
> > > > 
> > > > So (for example) atomic_inc() does not need a "memory" clobber, right?
> 
> Correct, and many implementations do not, including x86:
> 
> static __always_inline void arch_atomic_inc(atomic_t *v)
> {
> 	asm volatile(LOCK_PREFIX "incl %0"
> 		     : "+m" (v->counter));
> }

Very good!

> > > I don't believe that is true: the code calling it has a reasonable
> > > expectation that previous memory operations have finished and later
> > > memory operations have not started from the point of view of another
> > > processor. You are more of an expert on memory ordering than I am, but
> > > I'm 89% sure that there is plenty of code in the kernel which makes that
> > > assumption.
> > 
> > From Documentation/core-api/atomic_ops.rst:
> 
> We should delete that file.

Only if all of its content is fully present elsewhere.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul