linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] mm: Allow userland to request that the kernel clear memory on release

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Thu, 25 Apr 2019 15:32:42 +0000
From:   Christopher Lameter <cl@...ux.com>
To:     Matthew Garrett <matthewgarrett@...gle.com>
cc:     linux-mm@...ck.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Matthew Garrett <mjg59@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Allow userland to request that the kernel clear
 memory on release

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019, Matthew Garrett wrote:

> Applications that hold secrets and wish to avoid them leaking can use
> mlock() to prevent the page from being pushed out to swap and
> MADV_DONTDUMP to prevent it from being included in core dumps. Applications
> can also use atexit() handlers to overwrite secrets on application exit.
> However, if an attacker can reboot the system into another OS, they can
> dump the contents of RAM and extract secrets. We can avoid this by setting

Well nothing in this patchset deals with that issue.... That hole still
exists afterwards. So is it worth to have this functionality?

> Unfortunately, if an application exits uncleanly, its secrets may still be
> present in RAM. This can't be easily fixed in userland (eg, if the OOM
> killer decides to kill a process holding secrets, we're not going to be able
> to avoid that), so this patch adds a new flag to madvise() to allow userland
> to request that the kernel clear the covered pages whenever the page
> reference count hits zero. Since vm_flags is already full on 32-bit, it
> will only work on 64-bit systems.

But then the pages are cleared anyways when reallocated to another
process. This just clears it sooner before reuse. So it will reduce the
time that a page contains the secret sauce in case the program is
aborted and cannot run its exit handling.

Is that realy worth extending system calls and adding kernel handling for
this? Maybe the answer is yes given our current concern about anything
related to "security".