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Date:   Fri, 3 May 2019 07:53:26 -0700
From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <>
Subject: f68f031d ("Documentation: atomic_t.txt: Explain ordering provided by

Hello, Alan,

Just following up on the -rcu commit below.  I believe that it needs
some adjustment given Peter Zijlstra's addition of "memory" to the x86
non-value-returning atomics, but thought I should double-check.

							Thanx, Paul


commit f68f031d47f42f9fe07d9dee1ced48b2b0b8ae5e
Author: Alan Stern <>
Date:   Fri Apr 19 13:21:45 2019 -0400

    Documentation: atomic_t.txt: Explain ordering provided by smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic()
    The description of smp_mb__before_atomic() and smp_mb__after_atomic()
    in Documentation/atomic_t.txt is slightly terse and misleading.  It
    does not clearly state that these barriers only affect the ordering of
    other instructions with respect to the atomic operation.
    This improves the text to make the actual ordering implications clear,
    and also to explain how these barriers differ from a RELEASE or
    ACQUIRE ordering.
    Signed-off-by: Alan Stern <>
    Cc: Jonathan Corbet <>
    Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <>

diff --git a/Documentation/atomic_t.txt b/Documentation/atomic_t.txt
index dca3fb0554db..d6e42d8f66de 100644
--- a/Documentation/atomic_t.txt
+++ b/Documentation/atomic_t.txt
@@ -188,7 +188,10 @@ The barriers:
 only apply to the RMW ops and can be used to augment/upgrade the ordering
-inherent to the used atomic op. These barriers provide a full smp_mb().
+inherent to the used atomic op. Unlike normal smp_mb() barriers, they order
+only the RMW op itself against the instructions preceding the
+smp_mb__before_atomic() or following the smp_mb__after_atomic(); they do
+not order instructions on the other side of the RMW op at all.
 These helper barriers exist because architectures have varying implicit
 ordering on their SMP atomic primitives. For example our TSO architectures
@@ -212,7 +215,8 @@ Further, while something like:
 is a 'typical' RELEASE pattern, the barrier is strictly stronger than
-a RELEASE. Similarly for something like:
+a RELEASE because it orders preceding instructions against both the read
+and write parts of the atomic_dec(). Similarly, something like:
@@ -244,7 +248,8 @@ strictly stronger than ACQUIRE. As illustrated:
 This should not happen; but a hypothetical atomic_inc_acquire() --
 (void)atomic_fetch_inc_acquire() for instance -- would allow the outcome,
-since then:
+because it would not order the W part of the RMW against the following
   P1			P2

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