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Message-ID: <20190924104656.GB14924@ulmo>
Date:   Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:46:56 +0200
From:   Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@...il.com>
To:     Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koenig@...gutronix.de>
Cc:     Guru Das Srinagesh <gurus@...eaurora.org>,
        linux-pwm@...r.kernel.org, kernel-team@...roid.com,
        Mark Salyzyn <salyzyn@...gle.com>,
        Sandeep Patil <sspatil@...gle.com>,
        Subbaraman Narayanamurthy <subbaram@...eaurora.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Fenglin Wu <fenglinw@...eaurora.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] pwm: Add different PWM output types support

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 08:39:26AM +0200, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:43:43PM -0700, Guru Das Srinagesh wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 04:01:46PM +0200, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 03:57:43PM -0700, Guru Das Srinagesh wrote:
> > > > From: Fenglin Wu <fenglinw@...eaurora.org>
> > > > 
> > > > Normally, PWM channel has fixed output until software request to change
> > > > its settings. There are some PWM devices which their outputs could be
> > > > changed autonomously according to a predefined pattern programmed in
> > > > hardware. Add pwm_output_type enum type to identify these two different
> > > > PWM types and add relevant helper functions to set and get PWM output
> > > > types and pattern.
> > > > 
> > > > Change-Id: Ia1f914a45ab4f4dd7be037a395eeb89d0e65a80e
> > > > Signed-off-by: Fenglin Wu <fenglinw@...eaurora.org>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Guru Das Srinagesh <gurus@...eaurora.org>
> > > > ---
> > > >  drivers/pwm/core.c  | 26 ++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >  drivers/pwm/sysfs.c | 50 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >  include/linux/pwm.h | 70 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >  3 files changed, 146 insertions(+)
> > > 
> > > This doesn't seem right to me. Are you describing a PWM pin that's
> > > actually driven in GPIO mode? We usually configure that using pinctrl.
> > > 
> > > Thierry
> > 
> > Sorry, let me clarify.
> > 
> > Some Qualcomm PMICs have a PWM block called the Light Pulse Generator (LPG).
> > This block allows for the generation of a HW-controlled PWM "pattern", i.e. a
> > sequential altering of duty cycle, in addition to the normal PWM "fixed" duty
> > cycle operation, which is what the framework does currently. This pattern is
> > user-configurable in the form of a look-up table in the devicetree. The LPG's
> > registers have to be configured with the data in the look up table in order to
> > start the generation of the pattern. An example of a pattern is the "breath"
> > pattern, which simply ramps up the duty cycle and then ramps it down.
> 
> I'll try to describe it in my words to check if I got it right: So the
> mode you want to add needs a sequence of PWM states and the hardware is
> expected to apply them in turn, each for a configurable count of
> periods. If I understand this right, this is expected to be cyclic?
> 
> > This "pattern" mode is what has been defined as PWM_OUTPUT_MODULATED in this
> > patch. I see that the use of the term "modulated" is misleading - a more
> > accurate term would be PWM_OUTPUT_PATTERN perhaps.
> 
> Not sure "pattern" is better. 
> 
> The PWM on the newer imx SoCs (using the imx27 driver) has a FIFO with
> length 4 that allows to program changing settings. Only the duty cycle
> can be modified and as repeat count only 1, 2, 4 and 8 are available. I
> assume the FIFO can be fed by the dma engine.
> 
> Note I only know this feature from reading the reference manual and
> never used it.
> 
> > This patch merely adds framework support to differentiate between the "fixed"
> > and "pattern" modes of operation. Actions such as configuring the LPG with the
> > devicetree pattern and setting it up for generating the pattern are performed
> > in the driver only if the output type is read as "pattern" and not otherwise.
> 
> Up to now I'm not convinced that this extension is a good one that can
> be supported by several PWM implementations. I'd say we should collect
> first some details about different implementations and what these could
> implement to get a picture what kind of API is sensible.

I agree. This sounds to me like it's stretching the concept of a PWM a
bit too much. Sounds like drivers/leds might be a better fit for this.

Thierry

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