linux-kernel - Re: Unmerged patches adding audit when protected

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:23:56 -0400 (EDT)
From:   Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
To:     Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Cc:     Jeremie Galarneau <jeremie.galarneau@...icios.com>,
        s mesoraca16 <s.mesoraca16@...il.com>,
        Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        dan carpenter <dan.carpenter@...cle.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        solar@...nwall.com
Subject: Re: Unmerged patches adding audit when protected_regular/fifos
 sysctl causes EACCES

----- On Sep 25, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Kees Cook keescook@...omium.org wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 02:58:28PM -0400, Jérémie Galarneau wrote:
>> Hi Kees,
>> 
>> I have noticed that the two top-most patches of your protected-creat
>> branch were never merged upstream [1]. Those patches add audit logs
>> whenever the protected_regular or protected_fifo sysctl prevent the
>> creation of a file/fifo.
>> 
>> They were mentioned in the v4 thread [2] of the "main" patch and
>> seemed acceptable, but they were no longer mentioned in v5 [3], which
>> was merged.
>> 
>> Now that systemd enables those sysctls by default (v241+), I got
>> bitten pretty hard by this check and it took me a while to figure out
>> what was happening [4]. I ended up catching it by adding a bunch of
>> printk(), including where you proposed to add an audit log statement.
>> 
>> I just found your two patches while implementing what you proposed almost 1:1.
>> 
>> Was there a reason why those were abandoned? Otherwise, would you mind
>> resubmitting them?
> 
> Hi!
> 
> There was concern about getting buy-in from the audit folks delaying
> things even more. Instead of waiting for that, as it had already taken
> a long time to get consensus even on the functionality, they were
> dropped.
> 
> I'll rebase them and send them out again; thanks for the ping!

If you need additional justification for why those are needed, here are
a few problematic scenarios we're observing in the current situation.
Feel free to use those if you need to add extra justification for your
audit patches commit messages.

A first scenario is a host with containers, where a container runs
userspace processes which depend on the open() behavior changed
by those sysctl. If the host is updated to systemd 241+, which enables
those sysctl by default, those containers will start misbehaving, and
figuring out the culprit without any hint in the kernel dmesg is far
from obvious.

A similar situation happens for non-containerized deployments. If an
application depends on this open() ABI behavior tweaked by those sysctl,
the application will start failing if it happens to run on a system
with systemd 241+. Again, without any dmesg printout, it's rather hard
to diagnose.

Thanks!

Mathieu


> 
> -Kees
> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Jérémie
>> 
>> [1]
>> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/kees/linux.git/log/?h=kspp/userspace/protected-creat
>> [2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/4/10/840
>> [3] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20180416175918.GA13494@beast/
>> [4]
>> https://github.com/lttng/lttng-tools/commit/cf86ff2c4ababd01fea7ab2c9c289cb7c0a1bcd5
>> 
>> --
>> Jérémie Galarneau
>> EfficiOS Inc.
>> http://www.efficios.com
> 
> --
> Kees Cook

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com