Message-ID: <20191211115655.7ecc5c83@x1.home>
Date:   Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:56:55 -0700
From:   Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>
To:     Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@...el.com>
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        "Wang, Zhi A" <zhi.a.wang@...el.com>,
        "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com>,
        "He, Shaopeng" <shaopeng.he@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/9] vfio-pci: register default
 dynamic-trap-bar-info region

On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 01:25:55 -0500
Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@...el.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 12:38:05AM +0800, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 02:44:44 -0500
> > Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@...el.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 05:16:08AM +0800, Alex Williamson wrote:  
> > > > On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 01:22:12 -0500
> > > > Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@...el.com> wrote:
> > > >     
> > > > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 11:20:38PM +0800, Alex Williamson wrote:    
> > > > > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 01:04:07 -0500
> > > > > > Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@...el.com> wrote:
> > > > > >       
> > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 07:55:30AM +0800, Alex Williamson wrote:      
> > > > > > > > On Wed,  4 Dec 2019 22:26:50 -0500
> > > > > > > > Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@...el.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >         
> > > > > > > > > Dynamic trap bar info region is a channel for QEMU and vendor driver to
> > > > > > > > > communicate dynamic trap info. It is of type
> > > > > > > > > VFIO_REGION_TYPE_DYNAMIC_TRAP_BAR_INFO and subtype
> > > > > > > > > VFIO_REGION_SUBTYPE_DYNAMIC_TRAP_BAR_INFO.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > This region has two fields: dt_fd and trap.
> > > > > > > > > When QEMU detects a device regions of this type, it will create an
> > > > > > > > > eventfd and write its eventfd id to dt_fd field.
> > > > > > > > > When vendor drivre signals this eventfd, QEMU reads trap field of this
> > > > > > > > > info region.
> > > > > > > > > - If trap is true, QEMU would search the device's PCI BAR
> > > > > > > > > regions and disable all the sparse mmaped subregions (if the sparse
> > > > > > > > > mmaped subregion is disablable).
> > > > > > > > > - If trap is false, QEMU would re-enable those subregions.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A typical usage is
> > > > > > > > > 1. vendor driver first cuts its bar 0 into several sections, all in a
> > > > > > > > > sparse mmap array. So initally, all its bar 0 are passthroughed.
> > > > > > > > > 2. vendor driver specifys part of bar 0 sections to be disablable.
> > > > > > > > > 3. on migration starts, vendor driver signals dt_fd and set trap to true
> > > > > > > > > to notify QEMU disabling the bar 0 sections of disablable flags on.
> > > > > > > > > 4. QEMU disables those bar 0 section and hence let vendor driver be able
> > > > > > > > > to trap access of bar 0 registers and make dirty page tracking possible.
> > > > > > > > > 5. on migration failure, vendor driver signals dt_fd to QEMU again.
> > > > > > > > > QEMU reads trap field of this info region which is false and QEMU
> > > > > > > > > re-passthrough the whole bar 0 region.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Vendor driver specifies whether it supports dynamic-trap-bar-info region
> > > > > > > > > through cap VFIO_PCI_DEVICE_CAP_DYNAMIC_TRAP_BAR in
> > > > > > > > > vfio_pci_mediate_ops->open().
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > If vfio-pci detects this cap, it will create a default
> > > > > > > > > dynamic_trap_bar_info region on behalf of vendor driver with region len=0
> > > > > > > > > and region->ops=null.
> > > > > > > > > Vvendor driver should override this region's len, flags, rw, mmap in its
> > > > > > > > > vfio_pci_mediate_ops.        
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > TBH, I don't like this interface at all.  Userspace doesn't pass data
> > > > > > > > to the kernel via INFO ioctls.  We have a SET_IRQS ioctl for
> > > > > > > > configuring user signaling with eventfds.  I think we only need to
> > > > > > > > define an IRQ type that tells the user to re-evaluate the sparse mmap
> > > > > > > > information for a region.  The user would enumerate the device IRQs via
> > > > > > > > GET_IRQ_INFO, find one of this type where the IRQ info would also
> > > > > > > > indicate which region(s) should be re-evaluated on signaling.  The user
> > > > > > > > would enable that signaling via SET_IRQS and simply re-evaluate the        
> > > > > > > ok. I'll try to switch to this way. Thanks for this suggestion.
> > > > > > >       
> > > > > > > > sparse mmap capability for the associated regions when signaled.        
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Do you like the "disablable" flag of sparse mmap ?
> > > > > > > I think it's a lightweight way for user to switch mmap state of a whole region,
> > > > > > > otherwise going through a complete flow of GET_REGION_INFO and re-setup
> > > > > > > region might be too heavy.      
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > No, I don't like the disable-able flag.  At what frequency do we expect
> > > > > > regions to change?  It seems like we'd only change when switching into
> > > > > > and out of the _SAVING state, which is rare.  It seems easy for
> > > > > > userspace, at least QEMU, to drop the entire mmap configuration and      
> > > > > ok. I'll try this way.
> > > > >     
> > > > > > re-read it.  Another concern here is how do we synchronize the event?
> > > > > > Are we assuming that this event would occur when a user switch to
> > > > > > _SAVING mode on the device?  That operation is synchronous, the device
> > > > > > must be in saving mode after the write to device state completes, but
> > > > > > it seems like this might be trying to add an asynchronous dependency.
> > > > > > Will the write to device_state only complete once the user handles the
> > > > > > eventfd?  How would the kernel know when the mmap re-evaluation is
> > > > > > complete.  It seems like there are gaps here that the vendor driver
> > > > > > could miss traps required for migration because the user hasn't
> > > > > > completed the mmap transition yet.  Thanks,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Alex      
> > > > > 
> > > > > yes, this asynchronous event notification will cause vendor driver miss
> > > > > traps. But it's supposed to be of very short period time. That's also a
> > > > > reason for us to wish the re-evaluation to be lightweight. E.g. if it's
> > > > > able to be finished before the first iterate, it's still safe.    
> > > > 
> > > > Making the re-evaluation lightweight cannot solve the race, it only
> > > > masks it.
> > > >     
> > > > > But I agree, the timing is not guaranteed, and so it's best for kernel
> > > > > to wait for mmap re-evaluation to complete. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > migration_thread
> > > > >     |->qemu_savevm_state_setup
> > > > >     |   |->ram_save_setup
> > > > >     |   |   |->migration_bitmap_sync
> > > > >     |   |       |->kvm_log_sync
> > > > >     |   |       |->vfio_log_sync
> > > > >     |   |
> > > > >     |   |->vfio_save_setup
> > > > >     |       |->set_device_state(_SAVING)
> > > > >     |
> > > > >     |->qemu_savevm_state_pending
> > > > >     |   |->ram_save_pending
> > > > >     |   |   |->migration_bitmap_sync 
> > > > >     |   |      |->kvm_log_sync
> > > > >     |   |      |->vfio_log_sync
> > > > >     |   |->vfio_save_pending
> > > > >     |
> > > > >     |->qemu_savevm_state_iterate
> > > > >     |   |->ram_save_iterate //send pages
> > > > >     |   |->vfio_save_iterate
> > > > >     ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Actually, we previously let qemu trigger the re-evaluation when migration starts.
> > > > > And now the reason for we to wish kernel to trigger the mmap re-evaluation is that
> > > > > there're other two possible use cases:
> > > > > (1) keep passing through devices when migration starts and track dirty pages
> > > > >     using hardware IOMMU. Then when migration is about to complete, stop the
> > > > >     device and start trap PCI BARs for software emulation. (we made some
> > > > >     changes to let device stop ahead of vcpu )    
> > > > 
> > > > How is that possible?  I/O devices need to continue to work until the
> > > > vCPU stops otherwise the vCPU can get blocked on the device.  Maybe QEMU    
> > > hi Alex
> > > For devices like DSA [1], it can support SVM mode. In this mode, when a
> > > page fault happens, the Intel DSA device blocks until the page fault is
> > > resolved, if PRS is enabled; otherwise it is reported as an error.
> > > 
> > > Therefore, to pass through DSA into guest and do live migration with it,
> > > it is desired to stop DSA before stopping vCPU, as there may be an
> > > outstanding page fault to be resolved.
> > > 
> > > During the period when DSA is stopped and vCPUs are still running, all the
> > > pass-through resources are trapped and emulated by host mediation driver until
> > > vCPUs stop.  
> > 
> > If the DSA is stopped and resources are trapped and emulated, then is
> > the device really stopped from a QEMU perspective or has it simply
> > switched modes underneath QEMU?  If the device is truly stopped, then
> > I'd like to understand how a vCPU doing a PIO read from the device
> > wouldn't wedge the VM.
> >  
> It doesn't matter if the device is truly stopped or not (although from
> my point of view, just draining commands and keeping device running is
> better as it handles live migration failure better).
> PIOs also need to be trapped and emulated if a vCPU accesses them.

We seem to be talking around each other here.  If PIOs are trapped and
emulated then the device is not "stopped" as far as QEMU is concerned,
right?  "Stopping" a device suggests to me that a running vCPU doing a
PIO read from the device would block and cause problems in the still
running VM.  So I think you're suggesting some sort of mode switch in
the device where direct access is disabled an emulation takes over
until the vCPUs are stopped.
 
> > > [1] https://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/341204-intel-data-streaming-accelerator-spec.pdf
> > > 
> > >   
> > > > should assume all mmaps should be dropped on vfio device after we pass
> > > > some point of the migration process.
> > > >     
> > > yes, it should be workable for the use case of DSA.
> > >   
> > > > If there are a fixed set of mmap settings for a region and discrete
> > > > conditions under which they become active (ex. switch device to SAVING
> > > > mode) then QEMU could choose the right mapping itself and we wouldn't
> > > > need to worry about this asynchronous signaling problem, it would just
> > > > be defined as part of the protocol userspace needs to use.
> > > >    
> > > It's ok to let QEMU trigger dynamic trap on certain condition (like switching
> > > device to SAVING mode), but it seems that there's no fixed set of mmap settings
> > > for a region.
> > > For example, some devices may want to trap the whole BARs, but some devices
> > > only requires to trap a range of pages in a BAR for performance consideration.
> > > 
> > > If the "disable-able" flag is not preferable, maybe re-evaluation way is
> > > the only choice? But it is a burden to ask for re-evaluation if they are
> > > not required.
> > > 
> > > What about introducing a "region_bitmask" in ctl header of the migration region?
> > > when QEMU writes a region index to the "region_bitmask", it can read back
> > > from this field a bitmask to know which mmap to disable.  
> > 
> > If a vendor driver wanted to have a migration sparse mmap that's
> > different from its runtime sparse mmap, we could simply add a new
> > capability in the region_info.  Userspace would only need to switch to
> > a different mapping for regions which advertise a new migration sparse
> > mmap capability.  Doesn't that serve the same purpose as the proposed
> > bitmap?  
> 
> yes, it does.
> I will try this way in next version.
> 
> > > > > (2) performance optimization. There's an example in GVT (mdev case): 
> > > > >     PCI BARs are passed through on vGPU initialization and are mmaped to a host
> > > > >     dummy buffer. Then after initialization done, start trap of PCI BARs of
> > > > >     vGPUs and start normal host mediation. The initial pass-through can save
> > > > >     1000000 times of mmio trap.    
> > > > 
> > > > Much of this discussion has me worried that many assumptions are being
> > > > made about the user and device interaction.  Backwards compatible
> > > > behavior is required.  If a mdev device presents an initial sparse mmap
> > > > capability for this acceleration, how do you support an existing
> > > > userspace that doesn't understand the new dynamic mmap semantics and
> > > > continues to try to operate with the initial sparse mmap?  Doesn't this
> > > > introduce another example of the raciness of the device trying to
> > > > switch mmaps?  Seems that if QEMU doesn't handle the eventfd with
> > > > sufficient timeliness the switch back to trap behavior could miss an
> > > > important transaction.  This also seems like an optimization targeted
> > > > at VMs running for only a short time, where it's not obvious to me that
> > > > GVT-g overlaps those sorts of use cases.  How much initialization time
> > > > is actually being saved with such a hack?  Thanks,
> > > >    
> > > It can save about 4s initialization time with such a hack. But you are
> > > right, the backward compatibility is a problem and we are not going to
> > > upstream that. Just an example to show the usage.
> > > It's fine if we drop the way of asynchronous kernel notification.  
> > 
> > I think to handle such a situation we'd need a mechanism to revoke the
> > user's mmap.  We can make use of an asynchronous mechanism to improve
> > performance of a device, but we need a synchronous mechanism to
> > maintain correctness.  For this example, the sparse mmap capability
> > could advertise the section of the BAR as mmap'able and revoke that
> > user mapping after the device finishes the initialization phase.
> > Potentially the user re-evaluating region_info after the initialization
> > phase would see a different sparse mmap capability excluding these
> > sections, but then we might need to think whether we want to suggest
> > that the user always re-read the region_info after device reset.  AFAIK,
> > we currently have no mechanism to revoke user mmaps. Thanks,
> >   
> Actually I think the "disable-able" flag is good except for its backward
> compatibility :)

Setting a flag on a section of a region doesn't solve the asynchronous
problem.  Thanks,

Alex

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