linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/13] MAC and Audit policy using eBPF (KRSI)

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Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.21.2001090525540.9683@namei.org>
Date:   Thu, 9 Jan 2020 05:27:16 +1100 (AEDT)
From:   James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>
To:     Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/13] MAC and Audit policy using eBPF
 (KRSI)

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019, Kees Cook wrote:

> 
> Given the discussion around tracing and stable ABI at the last kernel
> summit, Linus's mandate is mainly around "every day users" and not
> around these system-builder-sensitive cases where everyone has a strong
> expectation to rebuild their policy when the kernel changes. i.e. it's
> not "powertop", which was Linus's example of "and then everyone running
> Fedora breaks".
> 
> So, while I know we've tried in the past to follow the letter of the
> law, it seems Linus really expects this only to be followed when it will
> have "real world" impact on unsuspecting end users.
> 
> Obviously James Morris has the final say here, but as I understand it,
> it is fine to expose these here for the same reasons it's fine to expose
> the (ever changing) tracepoints and BPF hooks.

Agreed. This API should be seen in the same light as tracing / debugging, 
and it should not be exposed by users directly to general purpose 
applications.


-- 
James Morris
<jmorris@...ei.org>