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Date:   Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:13:16 +1100
From:   David Gibson <david@...son.dropbear.id.au>
To:     Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>
Cc:     Alexandre Torgue <alexandre.torgue@...com>,
        Frank Rowand <frowand.list@...il.com>,
        Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@...nel.org>,
        Michal Marek <michal.lkml@...kovi.net>,
        Simon Glass <sjg@...omium.org>, devicetree@...r.kernel.org,
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        Steve McIntyre <steve.mcintyre@...aro.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] dtc: Add dtb build information option

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 09:59:44AM -0600, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 12:41 AM David Gibson
> <david@...son.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:43:23AM -0600, Rob Herring wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:26 AM David Gibson
> > > <david@...son.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 09:58:23AM +0100, Alexandre Torgue wrote:
> > > > > Hi David
> > > > >
> > > > > On 1/16/20 1:57 AM, David Gibson wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 07:16:23PM +0100, Alexandre Torgue wrote:
> > > > > > > This commit adds the possibility to add build information for a DTB.
> > > > > > > Build information can be: build date, DTS version, "who built the DTB"
> > > > > > > (same kind of information that we get in Linux with the Linux banner).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To do this, an extra option "-B" using an information file as argument
> > > > > > > has been added. If this option is used, input device tree is appended with
> > > > > > > a new string property "Build-info". This property is built with information
> > > > > > > found in information file given as argument. This file has to be generated
> > > > > > > by user and shouldn't exceed 256 bytes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Alexandre Torgue <alexandre.torgue@...com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At the very least, this patch of the series will need to be sent to
> > > > > > upstream dtc first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok sorry. I thought that sending all the series would give more
> > > > > information.
> > > >
> > > > That's fair enough, but in order to merge, you'll need to post against
> > > > upstream dtc.
> > > >
> > > > > > I'm also not terribly clear on what you're trying to accomplish here,
> > > > > > and why it's useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's take Kernel boot at example (but could be extend to other DTB "users"
> > > > > like U-Boot). When Linux kernel booting we get a log that gives useful
> > > > > information about kernel image: source version, build date, people who built
> > > > > the kernel image, compiler version. This information is useful for debug and
> > > > > support. The aim is to get same kind of information but for the DTB.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since you're doing this specifically for use with dtbs built in the
> > > > > > kernel build, could you just use a:
> > > > > >     Build-info = /incbin/ "build-info.txt";
> > > > > > in each of the in-kernel .dts files?
> > > > >
> > > > > My first idea was to not modify all existing .dts files. Adding an extra
> > > > > option in dtc is (for me) the softer way to do it. I mean, compile
> > > > > information should come through compiler without modify .dts files outside
> > > > > from dtc. In this way it will be easy to everybody using dtc (inside our
> > > > > outside Linux tree) to add dtb build info (even if they don't how to write a
> > > > > dts file).
> > > >
> > > > But you're not really having this information coming from the
> > > > compiler.  Instead you're adding a compiler option that just force
> > > > includes another file into the generated tree, and it's up to your
> > > > build scripts to put something useful into that file.
> > > >
> > > > I don't really see that as preferable to modifying the .dts files.
> > > >
> > > > I also dislike the fact that the option as proposed is much more
> > > > general than the name suggests, but also very similar too, but much
> > > > more specific than the existing /incbin/ option.
> > > >
> > > > What might be better would be to have a dtc option which force appends
> > > > an extra .dts to the mail .dts compiled.  You can then put an overlay
> > > > template in that file, something like:
> > > >
> > > > &{/} {
> > > >         linux,build-info = /incbin/ "build-info.txt;
> > > > }
> > >
> > > I like this suggestion either as an include another dts file or an
> > > overlay.
> >
> > Sorry, to be clear what I'm talking about here is just including
> > another dts file, and using the compile-type overlay syntax.  This is
> > not the same as .dtbo style runtime overlays (though the final result
> > is about the same in this case).
> 
> Ah, okay. That's probably easier to implement.
> 
> > > The latter could be useful as a way to maintain current dtb
> > > files while splitting the source files into base and overlay dts
> > > files.
> > >
> > > But no, let's not prepend this with 'linux'. It's not a property
> > > specific for Linux to consume.
> >
> > It's not really about who consumes it.  It's about defining a
> > namespace for the new property to exist in, since it's not part of a
> > relevant standard (if we wanted to make it such, we should pin down
> > what goes in there with much more precision).
> 
> I can't think of any cases of the 'linux' prefix not being about who
> consumes it. And we often end up dropping 'linux' because it turns out
> to not be Linux specific. I don't care to see u-boot,build-info,
> freebsd,build-info, etc. when a given dtb can only have 1 of those.

But all other vendor prefixes are about who generated or specified the
information, not who consumes it, e.g. "ibm,XXX", "fsl,YYY", etc.

> My intent is this property name is added to the DT spec, but I don't
> agree we should define what's in it beyond a string. It is information
> that is useful for humans identifying what the dtb was built from.
> 
> Rob
> 

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