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Date:   Fri, 28 Feb 2020 20:00:09 +0100
From:   Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>
To:     Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] tools/memory-model/Documentation: Fix "conflict" definition

On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 19:54, Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 18:24, Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020, Marco Elver wrote:
> >
> > > For language-level memory consistency models that are adaptations of
> > > data-race-free, the definition of "data race" can be summarized as
> > > "concurrent conflicting accesses, where at least one is non-sync/plain".
> > >
> > > The definition of "conflict" should not include the type of access nor
> > > whether the accesses are concurrent or not, which this patch addresses
> > > for explanation.txt.
> >
> > Why shouldn't it?  Can you provide any references to justify this
> > assertion?
>
> The definition of "conflict" as we know it and is cited by various
> papers on memory consistency models appeared in [1]: "Two accesses to
> the same variable conflict if at least one is a write; two operations
> conflict if they execute conflicting accesses."
>
> The LKMM as well as C11 are adaptations of data-race-free, which are
> based on the work in [2]. Necessarily, we need both conflicting data
> operations (plain) and synchronization operations (marked). C11's
> definition is based on [3], which defines a "data race" as:  "Two
> memory operations conflict if they access the same memory location,
> and at least one of them is a store, atomic store, or atomic
> read-modify-write operation. In a sequentially consistent execution,
> two memory operations from different threads form a type 1 data race
> if they conflict, at least one of them is a data operation, and they
> are adjacent in <T (i.e., they may be executed concurrently)."
>
> [1] D. Shasha, M. Snir, "Efficient and Correct Execution of Parallel
> Programs that Share Memory", 1988.
>       URL: http://snir.cs.illinois.edu/listed/J21.pdf
>
> [2] S. Adve, "Designing Memory Consistency Models for Shared-Memory
> Multiprocessors", 1993.
>       URL: http://sadve.cs.illinois.edu/Publications/thesis.pdf
>
> [3] H.-J. Boehm, S. Adve, "Foundations of the C++ Concurrency Memory
> Model", 2008.
>      URL: https://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/2008/HPL-2008-56.pdf
>
> > Also, note two things: (1) The existing text does not include
> > concurrency in the definition of "conflict".  (2) Your new text does
> > include the type of access in the definition (you say that at least one
> > of the accesses must be a write).
>
> Yes, "conflict" is defined in terms of "access to the same memory
> location and at least one performs a write" (can be any operation that
> performs a write, including RMWs etc.). It should not include
> concurrency. We can have conflicting operations that are not
> concurrent, but these will never be data races.
>
> > > The definition of "data race" remains unchanged, but the informal
> > > definition for "conflict" is restored to what can be found in the
> > > literature.
> >
> > It does not remain unchanged.  You removed the portion that talks about
> > accesses executing on different CPUs or threads.  Without that
> > restriction, you raise the nonsensical possibility that a single thread
> > may by definition have a data race with itself (since modern CPUs use
> > multiple-instruction dispatch, in which several instructions can
> > execute at the same time).
>
> Andrea raised the point that "occur on different CPUs (or in different
> threads on the same CPU)" can be interpreted as "in different threads
> [even if they are serialized via some other synchronization]".
>
> Arguably, no sane memory model or abstract machine model permits
> observable intra-thread concurrency of instructions in the same
> thread. At the abstract machine level, whether or not there is true
> parallelism shouldn't be something that the model concerns itself
> with. Simply talking about "concurrency" is unambiguous, unless the
> model says intra-thread concurrency is a thing.
>
> I can add it back if it helps make this clearer, but we need to mention both.
>
> > > Signed-by: Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>
> > > ---
> > >  tools/memory-model/Documentation/explanation.txt | 15 ++++++---------
> > >  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/explanation.txt b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/explanation.txt
> > > index e91a2eb19592a..11cf89b5b85d9 100644
> > > --- a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/explanation.txt
> > > +++ b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/explanation.txt
> > > @@ -1986,18 +1986,15 @@ violates the compiler's assumptions, which would render the ultimate
> > >  outcome undefined.
> > >
> > >  In technical terms, the compiler is allowed to assume that when the
> > > -program executes, there will not be any data races.  A "data race"
> > > -occurs when two conflicting memory accesses execute concurrently;
> > > -two memory accesses "conflict" if:
> > > +program executes, there will not be any data races. A "data race"
> >
> > Unnecessary (and inconsistent with the rest of the document) whitespace
> > change.
>
> Reverted.
>
> > > +occurs if:
> > >
> > > -     they access the same location,
> > > +     two concurrent memory accesses "conflict";
> > >
> > > -     they occur on different CPUs (or in different threads on the
> > > -     same CPU),
> > > +     and at least one of the accesses is a plain access;
> > >
> > > -     at least one of them is a plain access,
> > > -
> > > -     and at least one of them is a store.
> > > +     where two memory accesses "conflict" if they access the same
> > > +     memory location, and at least one performs a write;
> > >
> > >  The LKMM tries to determine whether a program contains two conflicting
> > >  accesses which may execute concurrently; if it does then the LKMM says
> >
> > To tell the truth, the only major change I can see here (apart from the
> > "differenct CPUs" restriction) is that you want to remove the "at least
> > one is plain" part from the definition of "conflict" and instead make
> > it a separate requirement for a data race.  That's fine with me in
> > principle, but there ought to be an easier way of doing it.
>
> Yes pretty much. The model needs to be able to talk about "conflicting
> synchronization accesses" where all accesses are marked. Right now the
> definition of conflict doesn't permit that.
>
> > Furthermore, this section of explanation.txt goes on to use the words
> > "conflict" and "conflicting" in a way that your patch doesn't address.
> > For example, shortly after this spot it says "Determining whether two
> > accesses conflict is easy"; you should change it to say "Determining
> > whether two accesses conflict and at least one of them is plain is
> > easy" -- but this looks pretty ungainly.  A better approach might be to
> > introduce a new term, define it to mean "conflicting accesses at least
> > one of which is plain", and then use it instead throughout.
>
> The definition of "conflict" as used in the later text is synonymous
> with "data race".

Correction: it's "data race" minus "concurrent" which makes things
more difficult. In which case, fixing this becomes more difficult.

> > Alternatively, you could simply leave the text as it stands and just
> > add a parenthetical disclaimer pointing out that in the CS literature,
> > the term "conflict" is used even when both accesses are marked, so the
> > usage here is somewhat non-standard.
>
> The definition of what a "conflict" is, is decades old [1, 2]. I
> merely thought we should avoid changing fundamental definitions that
> have not changed in decades, to avoid confusing people. The literature
> on memory models is confusing enough, so fundamental definitions that
> are "common ground" shouldn't be changed if it can be avoided. I think
> here it is pretty trivial to avoid.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Marco

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