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Date:   Tue, 5 May 2020 17:22:01 -0600
From:   "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>
To:     Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Cc:     Nathan Chancellor <natechancellor@...il.com>,
        Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@...gle.com>,
        "open list:HARDWARE RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR CORE" 
        <linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@...glegroups.com>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, George Burgess <gbiv@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Kbuild: disable FORTIFY_SOURCE on clang-10

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 5:19 PM Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 04:37:38PM -0600, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:25 PM Nathan Chancellor
> > <natechancellor@...il.com> wrote:
> > > I believe these issues are one in the same. I did a reverse bisect with
> > > Arnd's test case and converged on George's first patch:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/2dd17ff08165e6118e70f00e22b2c36d2d4e0a9a
> > >
> > > I think that in lieu of this patch, we should have that patch and its
> > > follow-up fix merged into 10.0.1.
> >
> > If this is fixed in 10.0.1, do we even need to patch the kernel at
> > all? Or can we just leave it be, considering most organizations using
> > clang know what they're getting into? I'd personally prefer the
> > latter, so that we don't clutter things.
>
> I agree: I'd rather this was fixed in 10.0.1 (but if we do want a
> kernel-side work-around for 10.0.0, I would suggest doing the version
> check in the Kconfig for FORTIFY_SOURCE instead of in the Makefile,
> as that's where these things are supposed to live these days).

Indeed this belongs in the Makefile. I can send a patch adjusting
that, if you want, but I think I'd rather do nothing and have a fix be
rolled out in 10.0.1. Clang users should know what to expect in that
regard.

> (Though as was mentioned, it's likely that FORTIFY_SOURCE isn't working
> _at all_ under Clang, so I may still send a patch to depend on !clang
> just to avoid surprises until it's fixed, but I haven't had time to
> chase down a solution yet.)

That might be the most coherent thing to do, at least so that people
don't get some false sense of mitigation.

Jason

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