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Date:   Wed, 6 May 2020 16:29:47 -0500
From:   Bjorn Helgaas <>
To:     Mika Westerberg <>
Cc:     Kai-Heng Feng <>,,
        Heiner Kallweit <>,
        "Rafael J. Wysocki" <>,
        Keith Busch <>,
        Chris Packham <>,
        Yicong Yang <>,
        Krzysztof Wilczynski <>,
        "open list:PCI SUBSYSTEM" <>,
        open list <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] PCI/ASPM: Enable ASPM for bridge-to-bridge link

On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 09:14:38AM +0300, Mika Westerberg wrote:
> On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 01:34:21AM +0800, Kai-Heng Feng wrote:
> > The TI PCIe-to-PCI bridge prevents the Intel SoC from entering power
> > state deeper than PC3 due to disabled ASPM, consumes lots of unnecessary
> > power. On Windows ASPM L1 is enabled on the device and its upstream
> > bridge, so it can make the Intel SoC reach PC8 or PC10 to save lots of
> > power.
> > 
> > In short, ASPM always gets disabled on bridge-to-bridge link.
> Excelent finding :) I've heard several reports complaining that we can't
> enter PC10 when TBT is enabled and I guess this explains it.

I'm curious about this.  I first read this patch as affecting
garden-variety Links between a Root Port or Downstream Port and the
Upstream Port of a switch.  But the case we're talking about is
specifically when the downstream device is PCI_EXP_TYPE_PCI_BRIDGE,
i.e., a PCIe to PCI/PCI-X bridge, not a switch.

AFAICT, a Link to a PCI bridge is still a normal Link and ASPM should
still work.  I'm sort of surprised that you'd find such a PCIe to
PCI/PCI-X bridge in a Thunderbolt topology, but maybe that's a common

I guess "PC8" and "PC10" are some sort of Intel-specific power states?

> > The special case was part of first ASPM introduction patch, commit
> > 7d715a6c1ae5 ("PCI: add PCI Express ASPM support"). However, it didn't
> > explain why ASPM needs to be disabled in special bridge-to-bridge case.
> > 
> > Let's remove the the special case, as PCIe spec already envisioned ASPM
> > on bridge-to-bridge link.
> > 
> > Bugzilla:
> > Signed-off-by: Kai-Heng Feng <>
> Reviewed-by: Mika Westerberg <>

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