Message-ID: <429c2889-93c2-23b3-ba1e-da56e3a76ba4@redhat.com>
Date:   Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:47:22 +0200
From:   David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
To:     Roger Pau Monné <roger.pau@...rix.com>
Cc:     linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com>,
        Juergen Gross <jgross@...e.com>,
        Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@...nel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        xen-devel@...ts.xenproject.org, linux-mm@...ck.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] memory: introduce an option to force onlining of
 hotplug memory

On 23.07.20 15:22, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 23.07.20 14:23, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 01:37:03PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> On 23.07.20 10:45, Roger Pau Monne wrote:
>>>> Add an extra option to add_memory_resource that overrides the memory
>>>> hotplug online behavior in order to force onlining of memory from
>>>> add_memory_resource unconditionally.
>>>>
>>>> This is required for the Xen balloon driver, that must run the
>>>> online page callback in order to correctly process the newly added
>>>> memory region, note this is an unpopulated region that is used by Linux
>>>> to either hotplug RAM or to map foreign pages from other domains, and
>>>> hence memory hotplug when running on Xen can be used even without the
>>>> user explicitly requesting it, as part of the normal operations of the
>>>> OS when attempting to map memory from a different domain.
>>>>
>>>> Setting a different default value of memhp_default_online_type when
>>>> attaching the balloon driver is not a robust solution, as the user (or
>>>> distro init scripts) could still change it and thus break the Xen
>>>> balloon driver.
>>>
>>> I think we discussed this a couple of times before (even triggered by my
>>> request), and this is responsibility of user space to configure. Usually
>>> distros have udev rules to online memory automatically. Especially, user
>>> space should eb able to configure *how* to online memory.
>>
>> Note (as per the commit message) that in the specific case I'm
>> referring to the memory hotplugged by the Xen balloon driver will be
>> an unpopulated range to be used internally by certain Xen subsystems,
>> like the xen-blkback or the privcmd drivers. The addition of such
>> blocks of (unpopulated) memory can happen without the user explicitly
>> requesting it, and hence not even aware such hotplug process is taking
>> place. To be clear: no actual RAM will be added to the system.
> 
> Okay, but there is also the case where XEN will actually hotplug memory
> using this same handler IIRC (at least I've read papers about it). Both
> are using the same handler, correct?
> 
>>
>>> It's the admin/distro responsibility to configure this properly. In case
>>> this doesn't happen (or as you say, users change it), bad luck.
>>>
>>> E.g., virtio-mem takes care to not add more memory in case it is not
>>> getting onlined. I remember hyper-v has similar code to at least wait a
>>> bit for memory to get onlined.
>>
>> I don't think VirtIO or Hyper-V use the hotplug system in the same way
>> as Xen, as said this is done to add unpopulated memory regions that
>> will be used to map foreign memory (from other domains) by Xen drivers
>> on the system.
> 
> Indeed, if the memory is never exposed to the buddy (and all you need is
> struct pages +  a kernel virtual mapping), I wonder if
> memremap/ZONE_DEVICE is what you want? Then you won't have user-visible
> memory blocks created with unclear online semantics, partially involving
> the buddy.

And just a note that there is also DCSS on s390x / z/VM which allows to
map segments into the VM physical address space (e.g., you can share
segments between VMs). They don't need any memmap (struct page) for that
memory, though. All they do is create the identity mapping in the kernel
virtual address space manually. Not sure what the exact requirements on
the XEN side are. I assume you need a memmap for this memory.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb

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