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Date:   Wed, 5 Aug 2020 10:27:28 -0700
From:   Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com>
To:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Cc:     Song Liu <songliubraving@...com>,
        open list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>, Networking <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Kernel Team <Kernel-team@...com>,
        john fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
        KP Singh <kpsingh@...omium.org>,
        Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>,
        Daniel Xu <dlxu@...com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 5/5] selftests/bpf: add benchmark for uprobe vs. user_prog

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:16 AM Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 04:47:30AM +0000, Song Liu wrote:
> >
> > Being able to trigger BPF program on a different CPU could enable many
> > use cases and optimizations. The use case I am looking at is to access
> > perf_event and percpu maps on the target CPU. For example:
> >       0. trigger the program
> >       1. read perf_event on cpu x;
> >       2. (optional) check which process is running on cpu x;
> >       3. add perf_event value to percpu map(s) on cpu x.
>
> If the whole thing is about doing the above then I don't understand why new
> prog type is needed. Can prog_test_run support existing BPF_PROG_TYPE_KPROBE?
> "enable many use cases" sounds vague. I don't think folks reading
> the patches can guess those "use cases".
> "Testing existing kprobe bpf progs" would sound more convincing to me.

Was just about to propose the same :) I wonder if generic test_run()
capability to trigger test programs of whatever supported type on a
specified CPU through IPI can be added. That way you can even use the
XDP program to do what Song seems to need.

TRACEPOINTs might also be a good fit here, given it seems simpler to
let users specify custom tracepoint data for test_run(). Having the
ability to unit-test KPROBE and TRACEPOINT, however rudimentary, is
already a big win.

> If the test_run framework can be extended to trigger kprobe with correct pt_regs.
> As part of it test_run would trigger on a given cpu with $ip pointing
> to some test fuction in test_run.c. For local test_run the stack trace
> would include bpf syscall chain. For IPI the stack trace would include
> the corresponding kernel pieces where top is our special test function.
> Sort of like pseudo kprobe where there is no actual kprobe logic,
> since kprobe prog doesn't care about mechanism. It needs correct
> pt_regs only as input context.
> The kprobe prog output (return value) has special meaning though,
> so may be kprobe prog type is not a good fit.

It does? I don't remember returning 1 from KPROBE changing anything. I
thought it's only the special bpf_override_return() that can influence
the kernel function return result.

> Something like fentry/fexit may be better, since verifier check_return_code()
> enforces 'return 0'. So their return value is effectively "void".
> Then prog_test_run would need to gain an ability to trigger
> fentry/fexit prog on a given cpu.