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Date:   Fri, 14 Aug 2020 04:04:09 +0000
From:   benbjiang(蒋彪) <benbjiang@...cent.com>
To:     "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@...ux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/16] Core scheduling v6(Internet mail)



> On Aug 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Li, Aubrey <aubrey.li@...ux.intel.com> wrote:
> 
> On 2020/8/14 8:26, benbjiang(蒋彪) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 12:28 PM, Li, Aubrey <aubrey.li@...ux.intel.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2020/8/13 7:08, Joel Fernandes wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 10:01:24AM +0800, Li, Aubrey wrote:
>>>>> Hi Joel,
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2020/8/10 0:44, Joel Fernandes wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Aubrey,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apologies for replying late as I was still looking into the details.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 11:57:20AM +0800, Li, Aubrey wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> +/*
>>>>>>> + * Core scheduling policy:
>>>>>>> + * - CORE_SCHED_DISABLED: core scheduling is disabled.
>>>>>>> + * - CORE_COOKIE_MATCH: tasks with same cookie can run
>>>>>>> + *                     on the same core concurrently.
>>>>>>> + * - CORE_COOKIE_TRUST: trusted task can run with kernel
>>>>>>> 			thread on the same core concurrently. 
>>>>>>> + * - CORE_COOKIE_LONELY: tasks with cookie can run only
>>>>>>> + *                     with idle thread on the same core.
>>>>>>> + */
>>>>>>> +enum coresched_policy {
>>>>>>> +       CORE_SCHED_DISABLED,
>>>>>>> +       CORE_SCHED_COOKIE_MATCH,
>>>>>>> +	CORE_SCHED_COOKIE_TRUST,
>>>>>>> +       CORE_SCHED_COOKIE_LONELY,
>>>>>>> +};
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We can set policy to CORE_COOKIE_TRUST of uperf cgroup and fix this kind
>>>>>>> of performance regression. Not sure if this sounds attractive?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Instead of this, I think it can be something simpler IMHO:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. Consider all cookie-0 task as trusted. (Even right now, if you apply the
>>>>>>  core-scheduling patchset, such tasks will share a core and sniff on each
>>>>>>  other. So let us not pretend that such tasks are not trusted).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2. All kernel threads and idle task would have a cookie 0 (so that will cover
>>>>>>  ksoftirqd reported in your original issue).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3. Add a config option (CONFIG_SCHED_CORE_DEFAULT_TASKS_UNTRUSTED). Default
>>>>>>  enable it. Setting this option would tag all tasks that are forked from a
>>>>>>  cookie-0 task with their own cookie. Later on, such tasks can be added to
>>>>>>  a group. This cover's PeterZ's ask about having 'default untrusted').
>>>>>>  (Users like ChromeOS that don't want to userspace system processes to be
>>>>>>  tagged can disable this option so such tasks will be cookie-0).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 4. Allow prctl/cgroup interfaces to create groups of tasks and override the
>>>>>>  above behaviors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How does uperf in a cgroup work with ksoftirqd? Are you suggesting I set uperf's
>>>>> cookie to be cookie-0 via prctl?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, but let me try to understand better. There are 2 problems here I think:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. ksoftirqd getting idled when HT is turned on, because uperf is sharing a
>>>> core with it: This should not be any worse than SMT OFF, because even SMT OFF
>>>> would also reduce ksoftirqd's CPU time just core sched is doing. Sure
>>>> core-scheduling adds some overhead with IPIs but such a huge drop of perf is
>>>> strange. Peter any thoughts on that?
>>>> 
>>>> 2. Interface: To solve the performance problem, you are saying you want uperf
>>>> to share a core with ksoftirqd so that it is not forced into idle.  Why not
>>>> just keep uperf out of the cgroup?
>>> 
>>> I guess this is unacceptable for who runs their apps in container and vm.
>> IMHO,  just as Joel proposed, 
>> 1. Consider all cookie-0 task as trusted.
>> 2. All kernel threads and idle task would have a cookie 0 
>> In that way, all tasks with cookies(including uperf in a cgroup) could run
>> concurrently with kernel threads.
>> That could be a good solution for the issue. :)
> 
> From uperf point of review, it can trust cookie-0(I assume we still need
> some modifications to change cookie-match to cookie-compatible to allow
> ZERO and NONZERO run together).
> 
> But from kernel thread point of review, it can NOT trust uperf, unless
> we set uperf's cookie to 0.
That’s right. :)
Could we set the cookie of cgroup where uperf lies to 0?

Thx.
Regards,
Jiang

> 
> Thanks,
> -Aubrey
> 

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