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Date:   Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:01:18 +0100
From:   Heinrich Schuchardt <xypron.glpk@....de>
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Subject: Re: [SPECIFICATION RFC] The firmware and bootloader log specification

On 14.11.20 00:52, Daniel Kiper wrote:
> Hey,
>
> This is next attempt to create firmware and bootloader log specification.
> Due to high interest among industry it is an extension to the initial
> bootloader log only specification. It takes into the account most of the
> comments which I got up until now.
>
> The goal is to pass all logs produced by various boot components to the
> running OS. The OS kernel should expose these logs to the user space
> and/or process them internally if needed. The content of these logs
> should be human readable. However, they should also contain the
> information which allows admins to do e.g. boot time analysis.
>
> The log specification should be as much as possible platform agnostic
> and self contained. The final version of this spec should be merged into
> existing specifications, e.g. UEFI, ACPI, Multiboot2, or be a standalone
> spec, e.g. as a part of OASIS Standards. The former seems better but is
> not perfect too...
>
> Here is the description (pseudocode) of the structures which will be
> used to store the log data.

Hello Daniel,

thanks for your suggestion which makes good sense to me.

Why can't we simply use the message format defined in "The Syslog
Protocol", https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5424?

>
>   struct bf_log
>   {
>     uint32_t   version;
>     char       producer[64];
>     uint64_t   flags;
>     uint64_t   next_bf_log_addr;
>     uint32_t   next_msg_off;
>     bf_log_msg msgs[];

As bf_log_msg is does not have defined length msgs[] cannot be an array.

>   }
>
>   struct bf_log_msg
>   {
>     uint32_t size;
>     uint64_t ts_nsec;
>     uint32_t level;
>     uint32_t facility;
>     uint32_t msg_off;
>     char     strings[];
>   }
>
> The members of struct bf_log:
>   - version: the firmware and bootloader log format version number, 1 for now,
>   - producer: the producer/firmware/bootloader/... type; the length
>     allows ASCII UUID storage if somebody needs that functionality,
>   - flags: it can be used to store information about log state, e.g.
>     it was truncated or not (does it make sense to have an information
>     about the number of lost messages?),
>   - next_bf_log_addr: address of next bf_log struct; none if zero (I think
>     newer spec versions should not change anything in first 5 bf_log members;
>     this way older log parsers will be able to traverse/copy all logs regardless
>     of version used in one log or another),
>   - next_msg_off: the offset, in bytes, from the beginning of the bf_log struct,
>     of the next byte after the last log message in the msgs[]; i.e. the offset
>     of the next available log message slot; it is equal to the total size of
>     the log buffer including the bf_log struct,

Why would you need an offset to first unused byte?

We possibly have multiple producers of messages:

- TF-A
- U-Boot
- iPXE
- GRUB

What we need is the offset to the next struct bf_log.

>   - msgs: the array of log messages,
>   - should we add CRC or hash or signatures here?
>
> The members of struct bf_log_msg:
>   - size: total size of bf_log_msg struct,
>   - ts_nsec: timestamp expressed in nanoseconds starting from 0,

Would each message producer start from 0?

Shouldn't we use the time from the hardware RTC if it is available via
boot service GetTime()?

>   - level: similar to syslog meaning; can be used to differentiate normal messages
>     from debug messages; the exact interpretation depends on the current producer
>     type specified in the bf_log.producer,
>   - facility: similar to syslog meaning; can be used to differentiate the sources of
>     the messages, e.g. message produced by networking module; the exact interpretation
>     depends on the current producer type specified in the bf_log.producer,
>   - msg_off: the log message offset in strings[],

What is this field good for? Why don't you start the the string at
strings[0]?
What would be useful would be the offset to the next bf_log_msg.

>   - strings[0]: the beginning of log message type, similar to the facility member but
>     NUL terminated string instead of integer; this will be used by, e.g., the GRUB2
>     for messages printed using grub_dprintf(),
>   - strings[msg_off]: the beginning of log message, NUL terminated string.


Why strings in plural? Do you want to put multiple strings into
'strings'? What identifies the last string?


>
> Note: The producers are free to use/ignore any given set of level, facility and/or
>       log type members. Though the usage of these members has to be clearly defined.
>       Ignored integer members should be set to 0. Ignored log message type should
>       contain an empty NUL terminated string. The log message is mandatory but can
>       be an empty NUL terminated string.
>
> There is still not fully solved problem how the logs should be presented to the OS.
> On the UEFI platforms we can use config tables to do that. Then probably
> bf_log.next_bf_log_addr should not be used.

Why? How would you otherwise find the entries of the next produser in
the configuration table? What I am missing is a GUID for the
configuration table.

> On the ACPI and Device Tree platforms
> we can use these mechanisms to present the logs to the OSes. The situation gets more

I do not understand this.

UEFI implementations use either of ACPI and device-trees and support
configuration tables. Why do you want to use some other binding?

Best regards

Heinrich

> difficult if neither of these mechanisms are present. However, maybe we should not
> bother too much about that because probably these platforms getting less and less
> common.
>
> Anyway, I am aware that this is not specification per se. The goal of this email is
> to continue the discussion about the idea of the firmware and booloader log and to
> find out where the final specification should land. Of course taking into the account
> assumptions made above.
>
> You can find previous discussions about related topics at [1], [2] and [3].
>
> Additionally, I am going to present this during GRUB mini-summit session on Tuesday,
> 17th of November at 15:45 UTC. So, if you want to discuss the log design please join
> us. You can find more details here [4].
>
> Daniel
>
> [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2019-10/msg00107.html
> [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2019-11/msg00079.html
> [3] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2020-05/msg00223.html
> [4] https://twitter.com/3mdeb_com/status/1327278804100931587
>

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