linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] mm: thp: use generic THP migration for NUMA hinting fault

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Message-ID: <CAHbLzkqHm5V6KA31wTtgF8kswJ_Cjne72FGgiFk3hLvC9AsHsw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:04:05 -0700
From:   Yang Shi <shy828301@...il.com>
To:     Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>
Cc:     Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@...ux.ibm.com>,
        "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>,
        Zi Yan <ziy@...dia.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>,
        Huang Ying <ying.huang@...el.com>,
        Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>, hca@...ux.ibm.com,
        gor@...ux.ibm.com, borntraeger@...ibm.com,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Linux MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>, linux-s390@...r.kernel.org,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@...ux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] mm: thp: use generic THP migration for NUMA
 hinting fault

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 1:32 AM Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 09:42:07AM -0700, Yang Shi wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 5:03 AM Gerald Schaefer
> > <gerald.schaefer@...ux.ibm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 13:10:49 -0700
> > > Yang Shi <shy828301@...il.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, it could be. The old behavior of migration was to return -ENOMEM
> > > > > > if THP migration is not supported then split THP. That behavior was
> > > > > > not very friendly to some usecases, for example, memory policy and
> > > > > > migration lieu of reclaim (the upcoming). But I don't mean we restore
> > > > > > the old behavior. We could split THP if it returns -ENOSYS and the
> > > > > > page is THP.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, as long as we don't get any broken PMD migration entries established
> > > > > for s390, some extra THP splitting would be acceptable I guess.
> > > >
> > > > There will be no migration PMD installed. The current behavior is a
> > > > no-op if THP migration is not supported.
> > >
> > > Ok, just for completeness, since Mel also replied that the split
> > > was not done on other architectures "because the loss from splitting
> > > exceeded the gain of improved locality":
> > >
> > > I did not mean to request extra splitting functionality for s390,
> > > simply skipping / ignoring large PMDs would also be fine for s390,
> > > no need to add extra complexity.
> >
> > Thank you. It could make life easier. The current code still converts
> > huge PMD to RPOTNONE even though THP migration is not supported. It is
> > easy to skip such PMDs hence cycles are saved for pointless NUMA
> > hinting page faults.
> >
> > Will do so in v2 if no objection from Mel as well.
>
> I did not get a chance to review this in time but if a v2 shows up,
> I'll at least run it through a battery of tests to measure the impact
> and hopefully find the time to do a proper review. Superficially I'm not
> opposed to using generic code for migration because even if it shows up a
> problem, it would be better to optimise the generic implementation than
> carry two similar implementations. I'm undecided on whether s390 should
> split+migrate rather than skip because I do not have a good overview of
> "typical workloads on s390 that benefit from NUMA balancing".

Thanks, Mel. I don't have an idea about S390 either. I will just skip
huge PMDs for S390 for now as Gerald suggested.

>
> --
> Mel Gorman
> SUSE Labs