linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/9] sched: Core scheduling interfaces

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Message-ID: <CABk29NtTScu2HO7V9Di+Fh2gv8zu5xiC5iNRwPFCLhpD+DKP0A@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Thu, 8 Apr 2021 17:16:13 -0700
From:   Josh Don <joshdon@...gle.com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     Michal Koutný <mkoutny@...e.com>,
        Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
        Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        "Hyser,Chris" <chris.hyser@...cle.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>,
        Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@....com>,
        Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@...ntu.com>,
        Zefan Li <lizefan.x@...edance.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/9] sched: Core scheduling interfaces

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 9:47 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 03:25:52PM +0200, Michal Koutný wrote:
>
> > I'm curious whether the cgroup API actually simplifies things that are
> > possible with the clone/prctl API or allows anything that wouldn't be
> > otherwise possible.
>
> With the cgroup API it is impossible for a task to escape the cgroup
> constraint. It can never share a core with anything not in the subtree.
>
> This is not possible with just the task interface.
>
> If this is actually needed I've no clue, IMO all of cgroups is not
> needed :-) Clearly other people feel differently about that.

The cgroup interface seems very nice from a management perspective;
moving arbitrary tasks around in the cgroup hierarchy will handle the
necessary cookie adjustments to ensure that nothing shares with an
unexpected task. It also makes auditing the core scheduling groups
very straightforward; anything in a cookie'd cgroup's tasks file will
be guaranteed isolated from the rest of the system, period.

Further, if a system management thread wants two arbitrary tasks A and
B to share a cookie, this seems more painful with the PRCTL interface.
The management thread would need to something like
- PR_SCHED_CORE_CREATE
- PR_SCHED_CORE_SHARE_TO A
- PR_SCHED_CORE_SHARE_TO B
- PR_SCHED_CORE_CLEAR