linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 07/13] Rust: Kernel crate

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <CAHk-=wiVY56LzwV_G075NEFwsdf-p7GOTy_cB7-UU9b=49rB1g@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:31:10 -0700
From:   Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:     ojeda@...nel.org
Cc:     Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        rust-for-linux@...r.kernel.org,
        Linux Kbuild mailing list <linux-kbuild@...r.kernel.org>,
        "open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor@...il.com>,
        Geoffrey Thomas <geofft@...reload.com>,
        Finn Behrens <me@...enk.de>,
        Adam Bratschi-Kaye <ark.email@...il.com>,
        Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@...gle.com>,
        Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/13] Rust: Kernel crate

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 11:47 AM <ojeda@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> +#[alloc_error_handler]
> +fn oom(_layout: Layout) -> ! {
> +    panic!("Out of memory!");
> +}
> +
> +#[no_mangle]
> +pub fn __rust_alloc_error_handler(_size: usize, _align: usize) -> ! {
> +    panic!("Out of memory!");
> +}

Again, excuse my lack of internal Rust knowledge, but when do these
end up being an issue?

If the Rust compiler ends up doing hidden allocations, and they then
cause panics, then one of the main *points* of Rustification is
entirely broken. That's 100% the opposite of being memory-safe at
build time.

An allocation failure in some random driver must never ever be
something that the compiler just turns into a panic. It must be
something that is caught and handled synchronously and results in an
ENOMEM error return.

So the fact that the core patches have these kinds of

    panic!("Out of memory!");

things in them as part of just the support infrastructure makes me go
"Yeah, that's fundamentally wrong".

And if this is some default that is called only when the Rust code
doesn't have error handling, then once again - I think it needs to be
a *build-time* failure, not a runtime one. Because having unsafe code
that will cause a panic only under very special situations that are
hard to trigger is about the worst possible case.

             Linus