linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks

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Message-ID: <CAHk-=whnHfghvfLAteVeOTyDbypZ=Y7WBHfYByoVZa9SMxKe1w@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:44:24 -0700
From:   Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:     Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@...hat.com>
Cc:     Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        cluster-devel <cluster-devel@...hat.com>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 5:30 PM Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
>
> Of course, if you ask for more data than the file has, that's another
> thing, but who really does that with direct-IO? And if they do, why
> should we care about their silly behavior?

Now, if the issue is that people do IO for bigger areas than you have
memory for, then I think that's a chunking issue. I don't think the
ITER_IOVEC necessarily needs to be converted to an ITER_BVEC in one
single go. That would indeed be painful if somebody tries to do some
huge direct-IO when they just don't have the memory for it.

But the fact is, direct-IO has been an incredible pain-point for
decades, because it's (a) unusual, (b) buggy and (c) has very little
overall design and common code.

The three issues are likely intimately tied together.

The iomap code at least has tried to make for much more common code,
but I really think some direct-IO people should seriously reconsider
how they are doing things when there are fundamental deadlocks in the
design.

And I do think that a ITER_IOVEC -> ITER_BVEC conversion function
might be a really really good idea to solve this problem. There's even
a very natural chunking algorithm: try to do as much as possible with
get_user_pages_fast() - so that if you already *have* the memory, you
can do the full IO (or at least a big part of it).

And if get_user_pages_fast() only gives you a small area - or nothing
at all - you chunk it down aggressively, and realize that "oh, doing
direct-IO when user space is paged out might not be the most optimal
case".

              Linus