linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] Alloc kfence

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Message-ID: <7c14bb40-1e7b-9819-1634-e9e9051726fa@linux.alibaba.com>
Date:   Fri, 4 Mar 2022 10:24:55 +0800
From:   Tianchen Ding <dtcccc@...ux.alibaba.com>
To:     Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>,
        Alexander Potapenko <glider@...gle.com>
Cc:     Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        kasan-dev <kasan-dev@...glegroups.com>,
        Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] Alloc kfence_pool after system startup

On 2022/3/3 17:30, Marco Elver wrote:

Thanks for your replies.
I do see setting a large sample_interval means almost disabling KFENCE.
In fact, my point is to provide a more “flexible” way. Since some Ops 
may be glad to use something like on/off switch than 10000ms interval. :-)

> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 10:05, Alexander Potapenko <glider@...gle.com> wrote:
> 
> I share Alex's concerns.
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 4:15 AM Tianchen Ding <dtcccc@...ux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> KFENCE aims at production environments, but it does not allow enabling
>>> after system startup because kfence_pool only alloc pages from memblock.
>>> Consider the following production scene:
>>> At first, for performance considerations, production machines do not
>>> enable KFENCE.
>>
>> What are the performance considerations you have in mind? Are you running KFENCE with a very aggressive sampling rate?
> 
> Indeed, what is wrong with simply starting up KFENCE with a sample
> interval of 10000? However, I very much doubt that you'll notice any
> performance issues above 500ms.
> 
> Do let us know what performance issues you have seen. It may be
> related to an earlier version of KFENCE but has since been fixed (see
> log).
> 
>>> However, after running for a while, the kernel is suspected to have
>>> memory errors. (e.g., a sibling machine crashed.)
>>
>> I have doubts regarding this setup. It might be faster (although one can tune KFENCE to have nearly zero performance impact), but is harder to maintain.
>> It will also catch fewer errors than if you just had KFENCE on from the very beginning:
>>   - sibling machines may behave differently, and a certain bug may only occur once - in that case the secondary instances won't notice it, even with KFENCE;
>>   - KFENCE also catches non-lethal corruptions (e.g. OOB reads), which may stay under radar for a very long time.
>>
>>>
>>> So other production machines need to enable KFENCE, but it's hard for
>>> them to reboot.
>>>
>>> The 1st patch allows re-enabling KFENCE if the pool is already
>>> allocated from memblock.
> 
> Patch 1/2 might be ok by itself, but I still don't see the point
> because you should just leave KFENCE enabled. There should be no
> reason to have to turn it off. If anything, you can increase the
> sample interval to something very large if needed.