linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v7 11/14] KVM: Register/unregister the guest private memory regions

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Date:   Thu, 21 Jul 2022 17:58:50 +0000
From:   Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>
To:     Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@...ux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 11/14] KVM: Register/unregister the guest private
 memory regions

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022, Chao Peng wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 03:34:59PM +0800, Wei Wang wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 7/21/22 00:21, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Maybe you could tag it with cgs for all the confidential guest support
> > related stuff: e.g. kvm_vm_ioctl_set_cgs_mem()
> > 
> > bool is_private = ioctl == KVM_MEMORY_ENCRYPT_REG_REGION;
> > ...
> > kvm_vm_ioctl_set_cgs_mem(, is_private)
> 
> If we plan to widely use such abbr. through KVM (e.g. it's well known),
> I'm fine.

I'd prefer to stay away from "confidential guest", and away from any VM-scoped
name for that matter.  User-unmappable memmory has use cases beyond hiding guest
state from the host, e.g. userspace could use inaccessible/unmappable memory to
harden itself against unintentional access to guest memory.

> I actually use mem_attr in patch: https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/7/20/610
> But I also don't quite like it, it's so generic and sounds say nothing.
> 
> But I do want a name can cover future usages other than just 
> private/shared (pKVM for example may have a third state).

I don't think there can be a third top-level state.  Memory is either private to
the guest or it's not.  There can be sub-states, e.g. memory could be selectively
shared or encrypted with a different key, in which case we'd need metadata to
track that state.

Though that begs the question of whether or not private_fd is the correct
terminology.  E.g. if guest memory is backed by a memfd that can't be mapped by
userspace (currently F_SEAL_INACCESSIBLE), but something else in the kernel plugs
that memory into a device or another VM, then arguably that memory is shared,
especially the multi-VM scenario.

For TDX and SNP "private vs. shared" is likely the correct terminology given the
current specs, but for generic KVM it's probably better to align with whatever
terminology is used for memfd.  "inaccessible_fd" and "user_inaccessible_fd" are
a bit odd since the fd itself is accesible.

What about "user_unmappable"?  E.g.

  F_SEAL_USER_UNMAPPABLE, MFD_USER_UNMAPPABLE, KVM_HAS_USER_UNMAPPABLE_MEMORY,
  MEMFILE_F_USER_INACCESSIBLE, user_unmappable_fd, etc...

that gives us flexibility to map the memory from within the kernel, e.g. into
other VMs or devices.

Hmm, and then keep your original "mem_attr_array" name?  And probably 

 int kvm_vm_ioctl_set_mem_attr(struct kvm *kvm, gpa_t gpa, gpa_t size,
 			       bool is_user_mappable)

Then the x86/mmu code for TDX/SNP private faults could be:

	is_private = !kvm_is_gpa_user_mappable();

	if (fault->is_private != is_private) {

or if we want to avoid mixing up "user_mappable" and "user_unmappable":

	is_private = kvm_is_gpa_user_unmappable();

	if (fault->is_private != is_private) {

though a helper that returns a negative (not mappable) feels kludgy.  And I like
kvm_is_gpa_user_mappable() because then when there's not "special" memory, it
defaults to true, which is more intuitive IMO.

And then if the future needs more precision, e.g. user-unmappable memory isn't
necessarily guest-exclusive, the uAPI names still work even though KVM internals
will need to be reworked, but that's unavoidable.  E.g. piggybacking
KVM_MEMORY_ENCRYPT_(UN)REG_REGION doesn't allow for further differentiation,
so we'd need to _extend_ the uAPI, but the _existing_ uAPI would still be sane.