Date:   Sat, 10 Sep 2022 02:53:19 -0600
From:   James Hilliard <james.hilliard1@...il.com>
To:     "Jose E. Marchesi" <jose.marchesi@...cle.com>
Cc:     Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com>,
        "Jose E. Marchesi" <jemarch@....org>,
        David Faust <david.faust@...cle.com>, bpf@...r.kernel.org,
        Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@...nel.org>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
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        Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@...ux.dev>,
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        Tom Rix <trix@...hat.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        llvm@...ts.linux.dev, elena.zannoni@...cle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] libbpf: add GCC support for bpf_tail_call_static

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 2:43 AM Jose E. Marchesi
<jose.marchesi@...cle.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 12:53 AM Jose E. Marchesi
> > <jose.marchesi@...cle.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 12:56 PM Andrii Nakryiko
> >> > <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 11:23 AM James Hilliard
> >> >> <james.hilliard1@...il.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 12:05 PM Andrii Nakryiko
> >> >> > <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 2:05 PM James Hilliard
> >> >> > > <james.hilliard1@...il.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The bpf_tail_call_static function is currently not defined unless
> >> >> > > > using clang >= 8.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > To support bpf_tail_call_static on GCC we can check if __clang__ is
> >> >> > > > not defined to enable bpf_tail_call_static.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > We need to use GCC assembly syntax when the compiler does not define
> >> >> > > > __clang__ as LLVM inline assembly is not fully compatible with GCC.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Signed-off-by: James Hilliard <james.hilliard1@...il.com>
> >> >> > > > ---
> >> >> > > > Changes v1 -> v2:
> >> >> > > >   - drop __BPF__ check as GCC now defines __bpf__
> >> >> > > > ---
> >> >> > > >  tools/lib/bpf/bpf_helpers.h | 19 +++++++++++++------
> >> >> > > >  1 file changed, 13 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > diff --git a/tools/lib/bpf/bpf_helpers.h b/tools/lib/bpf/bpf_helpers.h
> >> >> > > > index 7349b16b8e2f..867b734839dd 100644
> >> >> > > > --- a/tools/lib/bpf/bpf_helpers.h
> >> >> > > > +++ b/tools/lib/bpf/bpf_helpers.h
> >> >> > > > @@ -131,7 +131,7 @@
> >> >> > > >  /*
> >> >> > > >   * Helper function to perform a tail call with a constant/immediate map slot.
> >> >> > > >   */
> >> >> > > > -#if __clang_major__ >= 8 && defined(__bpf__)
> >> >> > > > +#if (!defined(__clang__) || __clang_major__ >= 8) && defined(__bpf__)
> >> >> > > >  static __always_inline void
> >> >> > > >  bpf_tail_call_static(void *ctx, const void *map, const __u32 slot)
> >> >> > > >  {
> >> >> > > > @@ -139,8 +139,8 @@ bpf_tail_call_static(void *ctx, const void *map, const __u32 slot)
> >> >> > > >                 __bpf_unreachable();
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >         /*
> >> >> > > > -        * Provide a hard guarantee that LLVM won't optimize setting r2 (map
> >> >> > > > -        * pointer) and r3 (constant map index) from _different paths_ ending
> >> >> > > > +        * Provide a hard guarantee that the compiler won't optimize setting r2
> >> >> > > > +        * (map pointer) and r3 (constant map index) from _different paths_ ending
> >> >> > > >          * up at the _same_ call insn as otherwise we won't be able to use the
> >> >> > > >          * jmpq/nopl retpoline-free patching by the x86-64 JIT in the kernel
> >> >> > > >          * given they mismatch. See also d2e4c1e6c294 ("bpf: Constant map key
> >> >> > > > @@ -148,12 +148,19 @@ bpf_tail_call_static(void *ctx, const void *map, const __u32 slot)
> >> >> > > >          *
> >> >> > > >          * Note on clobber list: we need to stay in-line with BPF calling
> >> >> > > >          * convention, so even if we don't end up using r0, r4, r5, we need
> >> >> > > > -        * to mark them as clobber so that LLVM doesn't end up using them
> >> >> > > > -        * before / after the call.
> >> >> > > > +        * to mark them as clobber so that the compiler doesn't end up using
> >> >> > > > +        * them before / after the call.
> >> >> > > >          */
> >> >> > > > -       asm volatile("r1 = %[ctx]\n\t"
> >> >> > > > +       asm volatile(
> >> >> > > > +#ifdef __clang__
> >> >> > > > +                    "r1 = %[ctx]\n\t"
> >> >> > > >                      "r2 = %[map]\n\t"
> >> >> > > >                      "r3 = %[slot]\n\t"
> >> >> > > > +#else
> >> >> > > > +                    "mov %%r1,%[ctx]\n\t"
> >> >> > > > +                    "mov %%r2,%[map]\n\t"
> >> >> > > > +                    "mov %%r3,%[slot]\n\t"
> >> >> > > > +#endif
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Hey James,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I don't think it's a good idea to have a completely different BPF asm
> >> >> > > syntax in GCC-BPF vs what Clang is supporting. Note that Clang syntax
> >> >> > > is also what BPF users see in BPF verifier log and in llvm-objdump
> >> >> > > output, so that's what BPF users are familiar with.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is the difference a BPF specific assembly format deviation or a generic
> >> >> > deviation in assembler template syntax between GCC/llvm?
> >> >> > https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Extended-Asm.html#AssemblerTemplate
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry, I don't understand the question. I'm talking about the above
> >> >> snippet with "r1 = %[ctx]" vs "mov %%r1,%[ctx]". Seems like the rest
> >> >> stayed the same. So this would be a "BPF specific assembly format"
> >> >> case, right? I don't know what else could be different with GCC-BPF
> >> >> assembly.
> >> >
> >> > I mean it's unclear if it's a generic assembly template format difference
> >> > that applies to all targets or one that's BPF target specific.
> >>
> >> It is certainly BPF specific.
> >>
> >> I think that when I first wrote the BPF GNU toolchain port the assembly
> >> format used by LLVM was different than it is now: I certainly didn't
> >> invent the syntax the GNU assembler uses for BPF.
> >>
> >> It seems LLVM settled with that C-like syntax for assembly instead,
> >> which is very unconventional.
> >>
> >> > Anyways for now I sent a new patch so that bpf_tail_call_static is defined
> >> > on non-clang compilers so that it will work when GCC-BPF supports the
> >> > existing asm format.
> >> > https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20220909224544.3702931-1-james.hilliard1@gmail.com/
> >>
> >> I don't think this patch makes much sense: these guards are designed to
> >> avoid compilers that do not support the inline assembly (as presumably
> >> happen with clang < 8) to choke on the header file.  That's also the
> >> case of GCC BPF at the moment.
> >>
> >> With this patch, people won't be currentty able to use bpf_helpers.h
> >> with GCC BPF even if they don't use bpf_tail_call_static.
> >
> > That doesn't seem to be an issue here, from what I can tell it's not
> > a failure in the compiler but a failure in the assembler, so having
> > bpf_tail_call_static unguarded in GCC doesn't break anything
> > that isn't already broken.
>
> IMO it makes it worse, because:
>
> 1) With your patch the error message will happen at assembly time
>    (invalid syntax in the intermediate .s file mixed with valid syntax)
>    pointing to a location in a temporary .S file.  With the guards, you
>    get an error at compile time instead, pointing to the undefined
>    function in the C source.  IMO it is much easier to figure out what
>    is wrong in the second case than in the first.

A compile time error may be somewhat misleading as one would
suspect the issue is with a missing include or something along
those lines, even though the issue is with the inline assembly.

>
> 2) If/when we support the C-like assembly syntax in GCC, you will want
>    to guard the function anyway with a GCC_MAJOR > 12 (or whatever) very
>    much like it is done with clang >= 8.

Wouldn't we need to check the GAS version instead of the GCC
version? AFAIU GAS version isn't known at compile time so a version
check may not make sense here for GCC.

>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > This will cause constant and unavoidable maintenance burden both for
> >> >> > > libraries like libbpf and end users and their BPF apps as well.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Given you are trying to make GCC-BPF part of the BPF ecosystem, please
> >> >> > > think about how to help the ecosystem, move it forward and unify it,
> >> >> > > not how to branch out and have Clang vs GCC differences everywhere.
> >> >> > > There is a lot of embedded BPF asm in production applications, having
> >> >> > > to write something as trivial as `r1 = X` in GCC or Clang-specific
> >> >> > > ways is a huge burden.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > As such, we've reverted your patch ([0]). Please add de facto BPF asm
> >> >> > > syntax support to GCC-BPF and this change won't be necessary.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >   [0]
> >> >> > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bpf/bpf-next.git/commit/?id=665f5d3577ef43e929d59cf39683037887c351bf
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >                      "call 12"
> >> >> > > >                      :: [ctx]"r"(ctx), [map]"r"(map), [slot]"i"(slot)
> >> >> > > >                      : "r0", "r1", "r2", "r3", "r4", "r5");
> >> >> > > > --
> >> >> > > > 2.34.1
> >> >> > > >

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