linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v8 16/17] integrity: Trust MOK keys if MokListTrustedRT found

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Date:   Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:30:19 +0100
From:   Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>
To:     James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com>
Cc:     Morten Linderud <morten@...derud.pw>,
        Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@...cle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 16/17] integrity: Trust MOK keys if MokListTrustedRT found

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 at 16:27, James Bottomley
<James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2022-11-10 at 16:06 +0100, Morten Linderud wrote:
> > I'm not really sure what Peter means with "much more reliable"
> > though.
>
> It's that in-head knowledge you referred to.  You can't see the true
> MoK variables because they're BootServices, meaning they're not visible
> in the RunTime, which is why the shadow RT variables exist (this is a
> security property: BS only variables can only be altered by trusted,
> signed entities).  However lots of things can create RT variables so
> you have to run through a sequence of checks on the RT shadows to try
> to defeat clever attackers (like verifying the variable attributes),
> because the chain of custody from BS to RT is not guaranteed.  If you
> use a configuration table instead, that is BS only, the kernel (which
> is also a trusted entity) has to pick it out before ExitBootServices,
> so if the kernel has the table, you have a reliable chain of custody
> for the entries.
>

No config table are always accessible, also at runtime under the OS.

But they are volatile so they can only have been created since the
last reset of the system, so in that sense they are similar to the
volatile RT variables aliases.

The reason for preferring config tables is that you can access them
much earlier, and without mapping the EFI runtime memory regions etc
etc