linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH RESEND] x86/speculation: Fix user-mode spectre-v2 protection with KERNEL

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Message-ID: <20230220163442.7fmaeef3oqci4ee3@treble>
Date:   Mon, 20 Feb 2023 08:34:42 -0800
From:   Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...nel.org>
To:     KP Singh <kpsingh@...nel.org>
Cc:     linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, pjt@...gle.com, evn@...gle.com,
        tglx@...utronix.de, mingo@...hat.com, bp@...en8.de,
        dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com, x86@...nel.org, hpa@...or.com,
        peterz@...radead.org, pawan.kumar.gupta@...ux.intel.com,
        kim.phillips@....com, alexandre.chartre@...cle.com,
        daniel.sneddon@...ux.intel.com,
        José Oliveira <joseloliveira11@...il.com>,
        Rodrigo Branco <rodrigo@...nelhacking.com>,
        Alexandra Sandulescu <aesa@...gle.com>,
        Jim Mattson <jmattson@...gle.com>, stable@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND] x86/speculation: Fix user-mode spectre-v2
 protection with KERNEL_IBRS

On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 04:34:02AM -0800, KP Singh wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:20 AM KP Singh <kpsingh@...nel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:13 AM Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...nel.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 01:01:27PM +0100, KP Singh wrote:
> > > > +static inline bool spectre_v2_user_no_stibp(enum spectre_v2_mitigation mode)
> > > > +{
> > > > +     /* When IBRS or enhanced IBRS is enabled, STIBP is not needed.
> > > > +      *
> > > > +      * However, With KERNEL_IBRS, the IBRS bit is cleared on return
> > > > +      * to user and the user-mode code needs to be able to enable protection
> > > > +      * from cross-thread training, either by always enabling STIBP or
> > > > +      * by enabling it via prctl.
> > > > +      */
> > > > +     return (spectre_v2_in_ibrs_mode(mode) &&
> > > > +             !cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_KERNEL_IBRS));
> > > > +}
> > >
> > > The comments and code confused me, they both seem to imply some
> > > distinction between IBRS and KERNEL_IBRS, but in the kernel those are
> > > functionally the same thing.  e.g., the kernel doesn't have a user IBRS
> > > mode.
> > >
> > > And, unless I'm missing some subtlety here, it seems to be a convoluted
> > > way of saying that eIBRS doesn't need STIBP in user space.
> 
> Actually, there is a subtlety, STIBP is not needed in IBRS and eIBRS
> however, with KERNEL_IBRS we only enable IBRS (by setting and
> unsetting the IBRS bit of SPEC_CTL) in the kernel context and this is
> why we need to allow STIBP in userspace. If it were for pure IBRS, we
> would not need it either (based on my reading). Now, with
> spectre_v2_in_ibrs_mode, as per the current implementation implies
> that KERNEL_IBRS is chosen, but this may change. Also, I would also
> prefer to have it more readable in the sense that:
> 
> "If the kernel decides to write 0 to the IBRS bit on returning to the
> user, STIBP needs to to be allowed in user space"

We will never enable IBRS in user space.  We tried that years ago and it
was very slow.

-- 
Josh