linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v11 0/7] Implement IOCTL to get and optionally clear info about PTEs

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Message-ID: <ZBmmEfgq8QBAKPFN@kernel.org>
Date:   Tue, 21 Mar 2023 14:41:53 +0200
From:   Mike Rapoport <rppt@...nel.org>
To:     Andrei Vagin <avagin@...il.com>
Cc:     Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Muhammad Usama Anjum <usama.anjum@...labora.com>,
        Peter Xu <peterx@...hat.com>,
        David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>,
        Michał Mirosław <emmir@...gle.com>,
        Danylo Mocherniuk <mdanylo@...gle.com>,
        Paul Gofman <pgofman@...eweavers.com>,
        Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@...il.com>,
        Nadav Amit <namit@...are.com>,
        Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Shuah Khan <shuah@...nel.org>,
        Christian Brauner <brauner@...nel.org>,
        Yang Shi <shy828301@...il.com>,
        Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>,
        "Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@...cle.com>,
        Yun Zhou <yun.zhou@...driver.com>,
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        Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@...gle.com>,
        "Gustavo A . R . Silva" <gustavoars@...nel.org>,
        Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-mm@...ck.org, linux-kselftest@...r.kernel.org,
        Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>, kernel@...labora.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 0/7] Implement IOCTL to get and optionally clear info
 about PTEs

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 11:30:00AM -0700, Andrei Vagin wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 11:58 AM Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu,  9 Mar 2023 18:57:11 +0500 Muhammad Usama Anjum <usama.anjum@...labora.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The information related to pages if the page is file mapped, present and
> > > swapped is required for the CRIU project [5][6]. The addition of the
> > > required mask, any mask, excluded mask and return masks are also required
> > > for the CRIU project [5].
> >
> > It's a ton of new code and what I'm not seeing in here (might have
> > missed it?) is a clear statement of the value of this feature to our
> > users.
> >
> > I see hints that CRIU would like it, but no description of how valuable
> > this is to CRIU's users.
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> The current interface works for CRIU, and I can't say we have anything
> critical with it right now.
> 
> On the other hand, the new interface has a number of significant improvements:
> 
> * it is more granular and allows us to track changed pages more
>   effectively. The current interface can clear dirty bits for the entire
>   process only. In addition, reading info about pages is a separate
>   operation. It means we must freeze the process to read information
>   about all its pages, reset dirty bits, only then we can start dumping
>   pages. The information about pages becomes more and more outdated,
>   while we are processing pages. The new interface solves both these
>   downsides. First, it allows us to read pte bits and clear the
>   soft-dirty bit atomically. It means that CRIU will not need to freeze
>   processes to pre-dump their memory. Second, it clears soft-dirty bits
>   for a specified region of memory. It means CRIU will have actual info
>   about pages to the moment of dumping them.
> 
> * The new interface has to be much faster because basic page filtering
>   is happening in the kernel. With the old interface, we have to read
>   pagemap for each page.

There is still a caveat in using userfaultfd for tracking dirty pages in
CRIU because we still don't support C/R of processes that use uffd. 
 
> Thanks,
> Andrei
> 
> >
> > So please spend some time preparing this info.
> >
> > Also, are any other applications of this feature anticipated?  If so,
> > what are they?
> >
> > IOW, please sell this stuff to us!

-- 
Sincerely yours,
Mike.