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Date:   Fri, 24 Mar 2023 16:18:09 +0100
From:   Hans Verkuil <hverkuil-cisco@...all.nl>
To:     Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas@...fresne.ca>,
        Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 2/4] media: videobuf2: Replace bufs array by a list

On 24/03/2023 16:14, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> Le mercredi 22 mars 2023 à 17:01 +0200, Laurent Pinchart a écrit :
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 10:50:52AM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
>>> Hi Laurent,
>>>
>>> Le lundi 20 mars 2023 à 01:33 +0200, Laurent Pinchart a écrit :
>>>>> The typical usage is that applications allocate N buffers with the
>>>>> VIDIOC_REQBUFS ioctl, and in most cases that's all they use.
>>>>
>>>> Note that once we get DELETE_BUF (or DELETE_BUFS) support I'd like to
>>>> encourage applications to use the new API, and deprecate REQBUFS
>>>> (dropping it isn't on my radar, as it would take forever before no
>>>> userspace uses it anymore).
>>>
>>> I was wondering if you can extend on this. I'm worried the count semantic might
>>> prevent emulating it over create_bufs() ops, but if that works, did you meant to
>>> emulate it so driver no longer have to implement reqbufs() if they have
>>> create_bufs() ?
>>
>> For drivers it should be fairly simply, as the reqbufs and create_bufs
>> ioctl handlers should just point to the corresponding videobuf2 helpers.
>>
>> What I meant is that I'd like to encourage userspace to use the
>> VIDIOC_CREATE_BUFS ioctl instead of VIDIOC_REQBUFS.
>>
> 
> I'm not sure what rationale I can give implementer to "encourage" them to use a
> more complex API that needs to copy over the FMT (which has just been set),
> specially in the initial pre-allocation case. For most, CREATE_BUFS after SMT
> will look like a very redundant and counter intuitive thing. Maybe you have a
> more optimistic view on the matter ? Or you have a better idea how we could give
> a meaning to having a fmt there on the initial case where the allocation matches
> the queue FMT ?

I wouldn't mind if we can make a much nicer CREATE_BUFS variant with just the
size instead of a format. That was in hindsight a really bad idea, terrible
over-engineering.

Regards,

	Hans

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