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Date:   Tue, 9 May 2023 11:52:31 +0200
From:   Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>
To:     Hou Wenlong <houwenlong.hwl@...group.com>
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        Lai Jiangshan <jiangshan.ljs@...group.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 31/43] x86/modules: Adapt module loading for PIE support

On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 11:42, Hou Wenlong <houwenlong.hwl@...group.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 01:47:53AM +0800, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 May 2023 at 13:45, Hou Wenlong <houwenlong.hwl@...group.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 05:16:34PM +0800, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 8 May 2023 at 10:38, Hou Wenlong <houwenlong.hwl@...group.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 03:29:32AM +0800, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 at 10:53, Hou Wenlong <houwenlong.hwl@...group.com> wrote:
...
> > > > > R_X86_64_GOTPCRELX and R_X86_64_REX_GOTPCRELX relocations are supported
> > > > > in binutils 2.26 and later, but the mini version required for the kernel
> > > > > is 2.25. This option disables relocation relaxation, which makes GOT not
> > > > > empty. I also noticed this option in arch/x86/boot/compressed/Makefile
> > > > > with the reason given in [2]. Without relocation relaxation, GOT
> > > > > references would increase the size of GOT. Therefore, I do not want to
> > > > > use GOT reference in assembly directly.  However, I realized that the
> > > > > compiler could still generate GOT references in some cases such as
> > > > > "fentry" calls and stack canary references.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The stack canary references are under discussion here [3]. I have also
> > > > sent a patch for kallsyms symbol references [4]. Beyond that, there
> > > > should be very few cases where GOT entries are emitted, so I don't
> > > > think this is fundamentally a problem.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't run into the __fentry__ issue myself: do you think we should
> > > > fix this in the compiler?
> > > >
> > > The issue about __fentry__ is that the compiler would generate 6-bytes
> > > indirect call through GOT with "-fPIE" option. However, the original
> > > ftrace nop patching assumes it is a 5-bytes direct call. And
> > > "-mnop-mcount" option is not compatiable with "-fPIE" option, so the
> > > complier woudn't patch it as nop.
> > >
> > > So we should patch it with one 5-bytes nop followed by one 1-byte nop,
> > > This way, ftrace can handle the previous 5-bytes as before. Also I have
> > > built PIE kernel with relocation relaxation on GCC, and the linker would
> > > relax it as following:
> > > ffffffff810018f0 <do_one_initcall>:
> > > ffffffff810018f0:       f3 0f 1e fa             endbr64
> > > ffffffff810018f4:       67 e8 a6 d6 05 00       addr32 call ffffffff8105efa0 <__fentry__>
> > >                         ffffffff810018f6: R_X86_64_PC32 __fentry__-0x4
> > >
> >
> > But if fentry is a function symbol, I would not expect the codegen to
> > be different at all. Are you using -fno-plt?
> >
> No, even with -fno-plt added, the compiler still generates a GOT
> reference for fentry. Therefore, the problem may be visibility, as you
> said.
>

Yeah, I spotted this issue in GCC - I just sent them a patch this morning.

> > > It still requires a different nop patching for ftrace. I notice
> > > "Optimize GOTPCRELX Relocations" chapter in x86-64 psABI, which suggests
> > > that the GOT indirect call can be relaxed as "call fentry nop" or "nop
> > > call fentry", it appears that the latter is chosen. If the linker could
> > > generate the former, then no fixup would be necessary for ftrace with
> > > PIE.
> > >
> >
> > Right. I think this may be a result of __fentry__ not being subject to
> > the same rules wrt visibility etc, similar to __stack_chk_guard. These
> > are arguably compiler issues that could qualify as bugs, given that
> > these symbol references don't behave like ordinary symbol references.
> >
> > > > > Regarding module loading, I agree that we should support GOT reference
> > > > > for the module itself. I will refactor it according to your suggestion.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Excellent, good luck with that.
> > > >
> > > > However, you will still need to make a convincing case for why this is
> > > > all worth the trouble. Especially given that you disable the depth
> > > > tracking code, which I don't think should be mutually exclusive.
> > > >
> > > Actually, I could do relocation for it when apply patching for the
> > > depth tracking code. I'm not sure such case is common or not.
> > >
> >
> > I think that alternatives patching in general would need to support
> > RIP relative references in the alternatives. The depth tracking
> > template is a bit different in this regard, and could be fixed more
> > easily, I think.
> >
> > > > I am aware that this a rather tricky, and involves rewriting
> > > > RIP-relative per-CPU variable accesses, but it would be good to get a
> > > > discussion started on that topic, and figure out whether there is a
> > > > way forward there. Ignoring it is not going to help.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I see that your PIE linking chose to put the per-cpu section in high
> > > kernel image address, I still keep it as zero-mapping. However, both are
> > > in the RIP-relative addressing range.
> > >
> >
> > Pure PIE linking cannot support the zero mapping - it can only work
> > with --emit-relocs, which I was trying to avoid.
> Sorry, why doesn't PIE linking support zero mapping? I noticed in the
> commit message for your PIE linking that it stated, "if we randomize the
> kernel's VA by increasing it by X bytes, every RIP-relative per-CPU
> reference needs to be decreased by the same amount in order for the
> produced offset to remain correct." As a result, I decided to decrease
> the GS base and not relocate the RIP-relative per-CPU reference in the
> relocs. Consequently, all RIP-relative references, regardless of whether
> they are per-CPU variables or not, do not require relocation.
>

Interesting. Does that work as expected with dynamically allocated
per-CPU variables?

> Furthermore, all symbols are hidden, which implies that all per-CPU
> references will not generate a GOT reference and will be relaxed as
> absolute reference due to zero mapping. However, the __stack_chk_guard
> on CLANG always generates a GOT reference, but I didn't see it being
> relaxed as absolute reference on LLVM.
>

Yeah, we should fix that.

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