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Date:   Mon, 29 May 2023 11:40:15 +0200
From:   Jens Wiklander <jens.wiklander@...aro.org>
To:     Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@...aro.org>
Cc:     Etienne CARRIERE <etienne.carriere@...com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
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        Etienne CARRIERE - foss <etienne.carriere@...s.st.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 3/4] tee: optee: support tracking system threads

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 9:11 AM Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@...aro.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 May 2023 at 01:05, Etienne CARRIERE <etienne.carriere@...com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > De: Jens Wiklander <jens.wiklander@...aro.org>
> > > Envoyé : jeudi 25 mai 2023 17:20
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 1:48 PM Etienne CARRIERE
> > > <etienne.carriere@...com> wrote:>
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > De : Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@...aro.org>
> > > > > Envoyé : mercredi 24 mai 2023 09:31
> > > > > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 12:41, Etienne Carriere
> > > > > <etienne.carriere@...aro.org> wrote:
> > > > > > Hello Sumit,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 16:33, Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@...aro.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Etienne Carriere <etienne.carriere@...aro.org>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adds support in the OP-TEE driver to keep track of reserved system
> > > > > > > threads. The optee_cq_*() functions are updated to handle this if
> > > > > > > enabled. The SMC ABI part of the driver enables this tracking, but the
> > > > > > > FF-A ABI part does not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The logic allows atleast 1 OP-TEE thread can be reserved to TEE system
> > > > > > > sessions. For sake of simplicity, initialization of call queue
> > > > > > > management is factorized into new helper function optee_cq_init().
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Co-developed-by: Jens Wiklander <jens.wiklander@...aro.org>
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Jens Wiklander <jens.wiklander@...aro.org>
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Etienne Carriere <etienne.carriere@...aro.org>
> > > > > > > Co-developed-by: Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@...aro.org>
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@...aro.org>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Disclaimer: Compile tested only
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Etienne,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Overall the idea we agreed upon was okay but the implementation looked
> > > > > > > complex to me. So I thought it would be harder to explain that via
> > > > > > > review and I decided myself to give a try at simplification. I would
> > > > > > > like you to test it if this still addresses the SCMI deadlock problem or
> > > > > > > not. Also, feel free to include this in your patchset if all goes fine
> > > > > > > wrt testing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With these changes, there is no more a specific waiting list for TEE
> > > > > > system threads hence when a waiting queue can complete, we'll pick any
> > > > > > TEE thread, not a TEE system thread first..
> > > > >
> > > > > I had thought about this but I can't see any value in having a
> > > > > separate wait queue for system threads. Here we only need to provide
> > > > > an extra privileged thread for system sessions (kernel clients) such
> > > > > that user-space doesn't contend for that thread. This prevents kernel
> > > > > client's starvation or deadlock like in the SCMI case.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Also, as stated in a below answer, these change unconditionally
> > > > > > reserve a TEE thread for TEE system calls even if no TEE client
> > > > > > reserved such.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think we should make thread reservations based on the presence
> > > > > of TEE clients. You never know how much user-space or kernel TEE
> > > > > clients you are dealing with. And reserving a single privileged thread
> > > > > unconditionally for system sessions shouldn't be much of a burden for
> > > > > memory constrained devices too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, this way we would enable every kernel TEE client to leverage
> > > > > system sessions as it's very likely they wouldn't like to compete with
> > > > > user-space for thread availability. Two other kernel TEE clients that
> > > > > are on top of my head are HWRNG and Trusted Keys which can benefit
> > > > > from this feature.
> > > >
> > > > Trusted Keys is an interesting use case. When OP-TEE accesses Trusted Keys,
> > > > it may need to access the eMMC/RPMB using the Linux OS tee-supplicant
> > > >  whichj may repuire an eMMC clock or voltage regulator to be enabled.
> > > > If that clock or regulator is under an SCMI control, then we need 2
> > > > reserved TEE thread: one for invoking the Trusted Key TA and
> > > > another for the SCMI request to reach the TEE will the Trusted Key
> > > > TA invocation still consumes a thread.
>
> Trusked keys TA doesn't need access to secure storage (eMMC/RPMB). It
> only requires a RNG and access to a key derived from HUK.

Because it's always compiled as an early TA so no rollback protection is used?

>
> > > >
> > > Why would the Trusted Keys session need a system thread? To me, it
> > > seems that the session could use the normal client priority.
>
> The system thread priority as per my patch is nothing but an extra
> thread available in the thread pool for kernel clients as compared to
> user-space clients.
>
> Trusted keys use-case was really motivated by: "every kernel TEE
> client would like to avoid competing with user-space for thread
> availability". However, HWRNG has a real case that user-space
> shouldn't starve kernel RNG thread for OP-TEE thread availability.
>
> System thread can be useful for trusted keys in case the disk
> encryption key is backed by a trusted key.

With well-behaving TAs every TEE client will get its thread in due time.

The system thread feature was originally intended as a way of avoiding
a deadlock. So far we have otherwise assigned threads on a first-come
first-served basis. If we now also need a way of giving priority to
kernel clients for less critical reasons we may need to take a step
back and redesign because reserving a thread for each kernel client
doesn't scale.

Thanks,
Jens

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