Message-Id: <CUHFOCLWR4VO.OLBGKIXELSIN@suppilovahvero>
Date:   Tue, 01 Aug 2023 21:52:23 +0300
From:   "Jarkko Sakkinen" <jarkko@...nel.org>
To:     "Mario Limonciello" <mario.limonciello@....com>,
        "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>,
        "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:     <linux@...inikbrodowski.net>,
        "Daniil Stas" <daniil.stas@...teo.net>,
        <James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com>,
        <linux-integrity@...r.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        <regressions@...mhuis.info>, <stable@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] tpm: disable hwrng for fTPM on some AMD designs

On Tue Aug 1, 2023 at 6:04 AM EEST, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> On 7/31/23 18:40, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I've been tracking this issue with Mario on various threads and
> > bugzilla for a while now. My suggestion over at bugzilla was to just
> > disable all current AMD fTPMs by bumping the check for a major version
> > number, so that the hardware people can reenable it i it's ever fixed,
> > but only if this is something that the hardware people would actually
> > respect. As I understand it, Mario was going to check into it and see.
> > Failing that, yea, just disabling hwrng on fTPM seems like a fine
> > enough thing to do.
> > 
> > The reason I'm not too concerned about that is twofold:
> > - Systems with fTPM all have RDRAND anyway, so there's no entropy problem.
> > - fTPM *probably* uses the same random source as RDRAND -- the
> > TRNG_OUT MMIO register -- so it's not really doing much more than what
> > we already have available.
>
> Yeah I have conversations ongoing about this topic, but also I concluded
> your suspicion is correct.  They both get their values from the 
> integrated CCP HW IP.
>
> > 
> > So this all seems fine. And Jarkko's patch seems more or less the
> > straight forward way of disabling it. But with that said, in order of
> > priority, maybe we should first try these:
> > 
> > 1) Adjust the version check to a major-place fTPM version that AMD's
> > hardware team pinky swears will have this bug fixed. (Though, I can
> > already imagine somebody on the list shouting, "we don't trust
> > hardware teams to do anything with unreleased stuff!", which could be
> > valid.)
>
> I find it very likely the actual root cause is similar to what Linus 
> suggested.  If that's the case I don't think the bug can be fixed
> by just an fTPM fix but would rather require a BIOS fix.
>
> This to me strengthens the argument to either not register fTPM as RNG 
> in the first place or just use TPM for boot time entropy.
>
> > 2) Remove the version check, but add some other query to detect AMD
> > fTPM vs realTPM, and ban fTPM.
>
> AMD doesn't make dTPMs, only fTPMs.  It's tempting to try to use 
> TPM2_PT_VENDOR_TPM_TYPE, but this actually is a vendor specific value.
>
> I don't see a reliable way in the spec to do this.
>
> > - Remove the version check, and just check for AMD; this is Jarrko's patch.
>
> I have a counter-proposal to Jarkko's patch attached.  This has two 
> notable changes:
>
> 1) It only disables RNG generation in the case of having RDRAND or RDSEED.
> 2) It also matches Intel PTT.
>
> I still do also think Linus' idea of TPMs only providing boot time 
> entropy is worth weighing out.

You should add something like TPM_CHIP_HWRNG_DISABLED instead and
set this in tpm_crb before calling tpm_chip_register().

Nothing else concerning AMD hardware should be done in tpm-chip.c.
It should only check TPM_CHIP_HWRNG_DISABLED in the beginning of
tpm_add_hwrng().

BR, Jarkko

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