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Date:   Tue, 26 Sep 2023 09:35:06 -0700
From:   Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
To:     Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@...gle.com>
Cc:     Gary Guo <gary@...yguo.net>, Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@...ton.me>,
        Alice Ryhl <alice@...l.io>,
        Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@...il.com>,
        rust-for-linux@...r.kernel.org, Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@...nel.org>,
        Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor@...il.com>,
        Björn Roy Baron <bjorn3_gh@...tonmail.com>,
        Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@...sung.com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Wedson Almeida Filho <walmeida@...rosoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] rust: arc: remove `ArcBorrow` in favour of
 `WithRef`

On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 05:41:17PM +0200, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 5:24 PM Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 04:26:59PM +0800, Gary Guo wrote:
> > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 22:26:56 +0000
> > > Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@...ton.me> wrote:
> > >
> > [...]
> > > >
> > > > The pointer was originally derived by a call to `into_raw`:
> > > > ```
> > > >      pub fn into_raw(self) -> *const T {
> > > >          let ptr = self.ptr.as_ptr();
> > > >          core::mem::forget(self);
> > > >          // SAFETY: The pointer is valid.
> > > >          unsafe { core::ptr::addr_of!((*ptr).data) }
> > > >      }
> > > > ```
> > > > So in this function the origin (also the origin of the provenance)
> > > > of the pointer is `ptr` which is of type `NonNull<WithRef<T>>`.
> > > > Raw pointers do not lose this provenance information when you cast
> > > > it and when using `addr_of`/`addr_of_mut`. So provenance is something
> > > > that is not really represented in the type system for raw pointers.
> > > >
> > > > When doing a round trip through a reference though, the provenance is
> > > > newly assigned and thus would only be valid for a `T`:
> > > > ```
> > > > let raw = arc.into_raw();
> > > > let reference = unsafe { &*raw };
> > > > let raw: *const T = reference;
> > > > let arc = unsafe { Arc::from_raw(raw) };
> > > > ```
> > > > Miri would complain about the above code.
> > > >
> > >
> > > One thing we can do is to opt from strict provenance, so:
> > >
> >
> > A few questions about strict provenance:
> >
> > > ```
> > > let raw = arc.into_raw();
> > > let _ = raw as usize; // expose the provenance of raw
> >
> > Should this be a expose_addr()?
> 
> Pointer to integer cast is equivalent to expose_addr.
> 
> > > let reference = unsafe { &*raw };
> > > let raw = reference as *const T as usize as *const T;
> >
> > and this is a from_exposed_addr{_mut}(), right?
> 
> Integer to pointer cast is equivalent to from_exposed_addr.
> 

Got it, thanks!

> > > let arc = unsafe { Arc::from_raw(raw) };
> > > ```
> > >
> >
> > One step back, If we were to use strict provenance API (i.e.
> > expose_addr()/from_exposed_addr()), we could use it to "fix" the
> > original problem? By:
> >
> > *       expose_addr() in as_with_ref()
> > *       from_exposed_addr() in `impl From<&WithRef<T>> for Arc`
> >
> > right?
> >
> > More steps back, is the original issue only a real issue under strict
> > provenance rules? Don't make me wrong, I like the ideas behind strict
> > provenance, I just want to check, if we don't enable strict provenance
> > (as a matter of fact, we don't do it today),
> 
> Outside of miri, strict provenance is not really something you enable.
> It's a set of rules that are stricter than the real rules, that are
> designed such that when you follow them, your code will be correct
> under any conceivable memory model we might end up with. They will
> never be the rules that the compiler actually uses.
> 
> I think by "opt out from strict provenance", Gary just meant "use
> int2ptr and ptr2int casts to reset the provenance".
> 
> > will the original issue found by Alice be a UB?
> 
> Yes, it's UB under any ruleset that exists out there. There's no flag
> to turn it off.
> 
> > Or is there a way to disable Miri's check on
> > strict provenance? IIUC, the cause of the original issue is that "you
> > cannot reborrow a pointer derived from a `&` to get a `&mut`, even when
> > there is no other alias to the same object". Maybe I'm still missing
> > something, but without strict provenance, is this a problem? Or is there
> > a provenance model of Rust without strict provenance?
> 
> It's a problem under all of the memory models. The rule being violated
> is exactly the same rule as the one behind this paragraph:
> 
> > Transmuting an & to &mut is Undefined Behavior. While certain usages may appear safe, note that the Rust optimizer is free to assume that a shared reference won't change through its lifetime and thus such transmutation will run afoul of those assumptions. So:
> >
> > Transmuting an & to &mut is always Undefined Behavior.
> > No you can't do it.
> > No you're not special.
> From: https://doc.rust-lang.org/nomicon/transmutes.html

But here the difference it that we only derive a `*mut` from a `&`,
rather than transmute to a `&mut`, right? We only use `&` to get a
pointer value (a usize), so I don't think that rule applies here? Or in
other words, does the following implemenation look good to you?

	impl<T: ?Sized> Arc<T> {
	    pub fn as_with_ref(&self) -> &WithRef<T> {
		// expose
		let _ = self.ptr.as_ptr() as usize;
		unsafe { self.ptr.as_ref() }
	    }
	}

	impl<T: ?Sized> From<&WithRef<T>> for Arc<T> {
	    fn from(b: &WithRef<T>) -> Self {
		// from exposed
		let ptr = unsafe { NonNull::new_unchecked(b as *const _ as usize as *mut _) };
		// SAFETY: The existence of `b` guarantees that the refcount is non-zero. `ManuallyDrop`
		// guarantees that `drop` isn't called, so it's ok that the temporary `Arc` doesn't own the
		// increment.
		ManuallyDrop::new(unsafe { Arc::from_inner(ptr) })
		    .deref()
		    .clone()
	    }
	}


An equivalent code snippet is as below (in case anyone wants to try it
in miri):
```rust
    let raw = Box::into_raw(arc);
    
    // as_with_ref()
    let _ = raw as usize;
    let reference = unsafe { &*raw };
    
    // from()
    let raw: *mut T = reference as *const _ as usize as  *mut _ ;

    // drop()
    let arc = unsafe { Box::from_raw(raw) };
```

Regards,
Boqun

> 
> Alice
> 

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