Message-ID: <ZV8+/4eNzLpLzSDG@shell.armlinux.org.uk>
Date:   Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:01:03 +0000
From:   "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@...linux.org.uk>
To:     Jie Luo <quic_luoj@...cinc.com>
Cc:     Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>, davem@...emloft.net,
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        conor+dt@...nel.org, hkallweit1@...il.com, corbet@....net,
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        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-doc@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 3/6] net: phy: at803x: add QCA8084 ethernet phy support

On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 06:57:59PM +0800, Jie Luo wrote:
> On 11/21/2023 7:52 PM, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> > Ultimately, you will need a way to use inband signalling with Cisco
> > SGMII for 10M/100M/1G speeds, and then switch to 2500base-X when
> > operating at 2.5G speeds, and that is done via the PHY driver
> > updating phydev->interface.
> > 
> > What we do need is some way for the PHY to also tell the PCS/MAC
> > whether inband should be used. This is something I keep bringing up
> > and now that we have PCS drivers revised to use the value from
> > phylink_pcs_neg_mode() _and_ a consistent implementation amongst them
> > we can now think about signalling to PCS drivers whether inband mode
> > needs to be turned off when switching between modes.
> 
> Yes, we can switch the interface mode according to the current link
> speed in the pcs driver.
> but the issue is that the phy-mode i specified for the PHYLINK,
> if phy-mode is sgmii, the support capability is limited to maximum
> capability 1G during the PHYLINK setup and i can't configure it to 2.5G
> dynamically, if the phy-mode is 2500base-x, then PHY capability will
> be modified to only support 2.5G, other speeds can't be linked up.

So you need my patches that add "possible_interfaces" to phylib so you
can tell phylink that you will be switching between SGMII and
2500base-X. Please see the RFC posting of those patches I sent
yesterday and try them out - you will need to modify your phylib
driver to fill in phydev->possible_interfaces.

> > There have been patches in the past that allow inband mode to be
> > queried from phylib, and this is another important component in
> > properly dealing with PHYs that need to use inband signalling with
> > Cisco SGMII, but do not support inband signalling when operating at
> > 2.5G speeds. The problem when operating at 2.5G speed is that the
> > base-X protocols are normally for use over fibre, which is the media,
> > and therefore the ethtool Autoneg bit should define whether inband
> > gets used or not. However, in the case of a PHY using 2500base-X,
> > the Autoneg bit continues to define whether autonegotiation should
> > be used on the media, and in this case it's the media side of the
> > PHY rather than the 2500base-X link.
> > 
> > So, when using a 2500base-X link to a PHY, we need to disregard the
> > Autoneg bit, but that then raises the question about how we should
> > configure it - and one solution to that would be to entire of phylib
> > what the PHY wants to do. Another is to somehow ask the PCS driver
> > whether it supports inband signalling at 2500base-X, and resolve
> > those capabilities.
> 
> For the qca808x PHY, when it is linked in 2.5G, the autoneg is also
> disabled in PCS hardware, so the sgmii+ of qca808x PHY is almost
> same as 2500base-X.

Not "almost". It _is_ the same. This is the point I've been trying
to get across to you. Without inband signalling, 1000base-X and SGMII
(when operating at 1G) are _identical_ and entirely compatible.

You've said that your 2.5G "SGMII" mode has inband signalling disabled,
and thus it without inband signalling, 2500base-X and this 2.5G mode
are again identical and entirely compatible. There's no "almost" about
it.


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