linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH V3 2/5] misc: mlx5ctl: Add mlx5ctl misc driver

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Date:   Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:10:00 -0800
From:   Saeed Mahameed <saeed@...nel.org>
To:     Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
Cc:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...dia.com>, David Ahern <dsahern@...nel.org>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        Leon Romanovsky <leonro@...dia.com>,
        Jiri Pirko <jiri@...dia.com>, Leonid Bloch <lbloch@...dia.com>,
        Itay Avraham <itayavr@...dia.com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@...dia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 2/5] misc: mlx5ctl: Add mlx5ctl misc driver

On 28 Nov 10:33, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:52:24 -0400 Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>> > The question at LPC was about making devlink params completely
>> > transparent to the kernel. Basically added directly from FW.
>> > That what I was not happy about.
>>
>> It is creating a back-porting nightmare for all the enterprise
>> distributions.
>
>We don't care about enterprise distros, Jason, or stable kernel APIs.
>

Oh, I missed this one, so you don't care about users? 

Users often pay to distros for support, and distros always turn to vendors
for debug situations, in fact one of the high stakeholders for this is an
enterprise distro..

Also Jason and I are users, and more than 300 engineers at nvidia
and dozens of customers are users, deploying 100s of thousands of ConnectX
chips in their fleets.

if it weren't important for us and our users, I wouldn't even fight this
hard.. but it is important, and very useful, I can't express that hard
enough.

So you don't care ? Then don't ask about who the users are, in the other
email, apparently it's all about your personal opinion and views about
vendors what drives your responses. So it is really hard to debate with
you..