Message-ID: <4b6dc8c8-1988-498b-b46a-33b0b2ee8c83@arm.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 15:18:35 +0000
From: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>,
 Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
 Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>, Huang Ying <ying.huang@...el.com>,
 Gao Xiang <xiang@...nel.org>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@...gle.com>,
 Yang Shi <shy828301@...il.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>,
 Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@...wei.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: swap: Remove CLUSTER_FLAG_HUGE from
 swap_cluster_info:flags

On 28/02/2024 15:12, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 28.02.24 15:57, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>> On 28/02/2024 12:12, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>> How relevant is it? Relevant enough that someone decided to put that
>>>>> optimization in? I don't know :)
>>>>
>>>> I'll have one last go at convincing you: Huang Ying (original author) commented
>>>> "I believe this should be OK.  Better to compare the performance too." at [1].
>>>> That implies to me that perhaps the optimization wasn't in response to a
>>>> specific problem after all. Do you have any thoughts, Huang?
>>>
>>> Might make sense to include that in the patch description!
>>>
>>>> OK so if we really do need to keep this optimization, here are some ideas:
>>>>
>>>> Fundamentally, we would like to be able to figure out the size of the swap slot
>>>> from the swap entry. Today swap supports 2 sizes; PAGE_SIZE and PMD_SIZE. For
>>>> PMD_SIZE, it always uses a full cluster, so can easily add a flag to the
>>>> cluster
>>>> to mark it as PMD_SIZE.
>>>>
>>>> Going forwards, we want to support all sizes (power-of-2). Most of the time, a
>>>> cluster will contain only one size of THPs, but this is not the case when a THP
>>>> in the swapcache gets split or when an order-0 slot gets stolen. We expect
>>>> these
>>>> cases to be rare.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Keep the size of the smallest swap entry in the cluster header. Most of the
>>>> time it will be the full size of the swap entry, but sometimes it will cover
>>>> only a portion. In the latter case you may see a false negative for
>>>> swap_page_trans_huge_swapped() meaning we take the slow path, but that is rare.
>>>> There is one wrinkle: currently the HUGE flag is cleared in
>>>> put_swap_folio(). We
>>>> wouldn't want to do the equivalent in the new scheme (i.e. set the whole
>>>> cluster
>>>> to order-0). I think that is safe, but haven't completely convinced myself yet.
>>>>
>>>> 2) allocate 4 bits per (small) swap slot to hold the order. This will give
>>>> precise information and is conceptually simpler to understand, but will cost
>>>> more memory (half as much as the initial swap_map[] again).
>>>>
>>>> I still prefer to avoid this at all if we can (and would like to hear Huang's
>>>> thoughts). But if its a choice between 1 and 2, I prefer 1 - I'll do some
>>>> prototyping.
>>>
>>> Taking a step back: what about we simply batch unmapping of swap entries?
>>>
>>> That is, if we're unmapping a PTE range, we'll collect swap entries (under PT
>>> lock) that reference consecutive swap offsets in the same swap file.
>>
>> Yes in principle, but there are 4 places where free_swap_and_cache() is called,
>> and only 2 of those are really amenable to batching (zap_pte_range() and
>> madvise_free_pte_range()). So the other two users will still take the "slow"
>> path. Maybe those 2 callsites are the only ones that really matter? I can
>> certainly have a stab at this approach.
> 
> We can ignore the s390x one. That s390x code should only apply to KVM guest
> memory where ordinary THP are not even supported. (and nobody uses mTHP there yet).
> 
> Long story short: the VM can hint that some memory pages are now unused and the
> hypervisor can reclaim them. That's what that callback does (zap guest-provided
> guest memory). No need to worry about any batching for now.

OK good.

> 
> Then, there is the shmem one in shmem_free_swap(). I really don't know how shmem
> handles THP+swapout.
> 
> But looking at shmem_writepage(), we split any large folios before moving them
> to the swapcache, so likely we don't care at all, because THP don't apply.

Excellent.

> 
>>
>>>
>>> There, we can then first decrement all the swap counts, and then try minimizing
>>> how often we actually have to try reclaiming swap space (lookup folio, see it's
>>> a large folio that we cannot reclaim or could reclaim, ...).
>>>
>>> Might need some fine-tuning in swap code to "advance" to the next entry to try
>>> freeing up, but we certainly can do better than what we would do right now.
>>
>> I'm not sure I've understood this. Isn't advancing just a matter of:
>>
>> entry = swp_entry(swp_type(entry), swp_offset(entry) + 1);
> 
> I was talking about the advancing swapslot processing after decrementing the
> swapcounts.
> 
> Assume you decremented 512 swapcounts and some of them went to 0. AFAIU, you'd
> have to start with the first swapslot that has now a swapcount=0 one and try to
> reclaim swap.
> 
> Assume you get a small folio, then you'll have to proceed with the next swap
> slot and try to reclaim swap.
> 
> Assume you get a large folio, then you can skip more swapslots (depending on
> offset into the folio etc).
> 
> If you get what I mean. :)

Ahh gottya. I'll have a play.

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