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Message-ID: <fb101fd1-e28a-4278-bf5f-e2dca0215a90@arm.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2024 17:48:52 +0000
From: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>, Mark Rutland
 <mark.rutland@....com>, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
 Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>,
 Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@...ux.intel.com>,
 Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...nel.org>, Ian Rogers <irogers@...gle.com>,
 Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@...el.com>,
 Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
 Muchun Song <muchun.song@...ux.dev>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
 linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 3/4] mm/memory: Use ptep_get_lockless_norecency()
 for orig_pte

On 26/03/2024 17:38, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 26.03.24 18:27, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>> On 26/03/2024 17:02, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> On 15.02.24 13:17, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>>>> Let's convert handle_pte_fault()'s use of ptep_get_lockless() to
>>>> ptep_get_lockless_norecency() to save orig_pte.
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of places that follow this model:
>>>>
>>>>       orig_pte = ptep_get_lockless(ptep)
>>>>       ...
>>>>       <lock>
>>>>       if (!pte_same(orig_pte, ptep_get(ptep)))
>>>>               // RACE!
>>>>       ...
>>>>       <unlock>
>>>>
>>>> So we need to be careful to convert all of those to use
>>>> pte_same_norecency() so that the access and dirty bits are excluded from
>>>> the comparison.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally there are a couple of places that genuinely rely on the
>>>> access and dirty bits of orig_pte, but with some careful refactoring, we
>>>> can use ptep_get() once we are holding the lock to achieve equivalent
>>>> logic.
>>>
>>> We really should document that changed behavior somewhere where it can be easily
>>> found: that orig_pte might have incomplete/stale accessed/dirty information.
>>
>> I could add it to the orig_pte definition in the `struct vm_fault`?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> @@ -5343,7 +5356,7 @@ static vm_fault_t handle_pte_fault(struct vm_fault *vmf)
>>>>                             vmf->address, &vmf->ptl);
>>>>            if (unlikely(!vmf->pte))
>>>>                return 0;
>>>> -        vmf->orig_pte = ptep_get_lockless(vmf->pte);
>>>> +        vmf->orig_pte = ptep_get_lockless_norecency(vmf->pte);
>>>>            vmf->flags |= FAULT_FLAG_ORIG_PTE_VALID;
>>>>
>>>>            if (pte_none(vmf->orig_pte)) {
>>>> @@ -5363,7 +5376,7 @@ static vm_fault_t handle_pte_fault(struct vm_fault *vmf)
>>>>
>>>>        spin_lock(vmf->ptl);
>>>>        entry = vmf->orig_pte;
>>>> -    if (unlikely(!pte_same(ptep_get(vmf->pte), entry))) {
>>>> +    if (unlikely(!pte_same_norecency(ptep_get(vmf->pte), entry))) {
>>>>            update_mmu_tlb(vmf->vma, vmf->address, vmf->pte);
>>>>            goto unlock;
>>>
>>> I was wondering about the following:
>>>
>>> Assume the PTE is not dirty.
>>>
>>> Thread 1 does
>>
>> Sorry not sure what threads have to do with this? How is the vmf shared between
>> threads? What have I misunderstood...
> 
> Assume we have a HW that does not have HW-managed access/dirty bits. One that
> ends up using generic ptep_set_access_flags(). Access/dirty bits are always
> updated under PT lock.
> 
> Then, imagine two threads. One is the the fault path here. another thread
> performs some other magic that sets the PTE dirty under PTL.
> 
>>
>>>
>>> vmf->orig_pte = ptep_get_lockless_norecency(vmf->pte)
>>> /* not dirty */
>>>
>>> /* Now, thread 2 ends up setting the PTE dirty under PT lock. */

Ahh, this comment about thread 2 is not referring to the code immediately below
it. It all makes much more sense now. :)

>>>
>>> spin_lock(vmf->ptl);
>>> entry = vmf->orig_pte;
>>> if (unlikely(!pte_same(ptep_get(vmf->pte), entry))) {
>>>      ...
>>> }
>>> ...
>>> entry = pte_mkyoung(entry);
>>
>> Do you mean pte_mkdirty() here? You're talking about dirty everywhere else.
> 
> No, that is just thread 1 seeing "oh, nothing to do" and then goes ahead and
> unconditionally does that in handle_pte_fault().
> 
>>
>>> if (ptep_set_access_flags(vmf->vma, ...)
>>> ...
>>> pte_unmap_unlock(vmf->pte, vmf->ptl);
>>>
>>>
>>> Generic ptep_set_access_flags() will do another pte_same() check and realize
>>> "hey, there was a change!" let's update the PTE!
>>>
>>> set_pte_at(vma->vm_mm, address, ptep, entry);
>>
>> This is called from the generic ptep_set_access_flags() in your example, right?
>>
> 
> Yes.
> 
>>>
>>> would overwrite the dirty bit set by thread 2.
>>
>> I'm not really sure what you are getting at... Is your concern that there is a
>> race where the page could become dirty in the meantime and it now gets lost? I
>> think that's why arm64 overrides ptep_set_access_flags(); since the hw can
>> update access/dirty we have to deal with the races.
> 
> My concern is that your patch can in subtle ways lead to use losing PTE dirty
> bits on architectures that don't have the HW-managed dirty bit. They do exist ;)

But I think the example you give can already happen today? Thread 1 reads
orig_pte = ptep_get_lockless(). So that's already racy, if thread 2 is going to
set dirty just after the get, then thread 1 is going to set the PTE back to (a
modified version of) orig_pte. Isn't it already broken?


> 
> Arm64 should be fine in that regard.
> 

There is plenty of arm64 HW that doesn't do HW access/dirty update. But our
ptep_set_access_flags() can always deal with a racing update, even if that
update originates from SW.

Why do I have the feeling you're about to explain (very patiently) exactly why
I'm wrong?... :)