Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 23:57:57 -0300
From: Leonardo Bras <leobras@...hat.com>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 0/4] Introduce QPW for per-cpu operations

On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 03:54:14PM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 09:31:51AM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > you've included tglx, which is great, but there's also LOCKING PRIMITIVES
> > section in MAINTAINERS so I've added folks from there in my reply.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> > Link to full series:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240622035815.569665-1-leobras@redhat.com/
> > 
> 
> And apologies to Leonardo... I think this is a follow-up of:
> 
> 	https://lpc.events/event/17/contributions/1484/
> 
> and I did remember we had a quick chat after that which I suggested it's
> better to change to a different name, sorry that I never found time to
> write a proper rely to your previous seriese [1] as promised.
> 
> [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230729083737.38699-2-leobras@redhat.com/

That's correct, I commented about this in the end of above presentation.
Don't worry, and thanks for suggesting the per-cpu naming, it was very 
helpful on designing this solution.

> 
> > On 6/22/24 5:58 AM, Leonardo Bras wrote:
> > > The problem:
> > > Some places in the kernel implement a parallel programming strategy
> > > consisting on local_locks() for most of the work, and some rare remote
> > > operations are scheduled on target cpu. This keeps cache bouncing low since
> > > cacheline tends to be mostly local, and avoids the cost of locks in non-RT
> > > kernels, even though the very few remote operations will be expensive due
> > > to scheduling overhead.
> > > 
> > > On the other hand, for RT workloads this can represent a problem: getting
> > > an important workload scheduled out to deal with remote requests is
> > > sure to introduce unexpected deadline misses.
> > > 
> > > The idea:
> > > Currently with PREEMPT_RT=y, local_locks() become per-cpu spinlocks.
> > > In this case, instead of scheduling work on a remote cpu, it should
> > > be safe to grab that remote cpu's per-cpu spinlock and run the required
> > > work locally. Tha major cost, which is un/locking in every local function,
> > > already happens in PREEMPT_RT.
> > 
> > I've also noticed this a while ago (likely in the context of rewriting SLUB
> > to use local_lock) and asked about it on IRC, and IIRC tglx wasn't fond of
> > the idea. But I forgot the details about why, so I'll let the the locking
> > experts reply...
> > 
> 
> I think it's a good idea, especially the new name is less confusing ;-)
> So I wonder Thomas' thoughts as well.

Thanks!

> 
> And I think a few (micro-)benchmark numbers will help.

Last year I got some numbers on how replacing local_locks with 
spinlocks would impact memcontrol.c cache operations:

https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230125073502.743446-1-leobras@redhat.com/

tl;dr: It increased clocks spent in the most common this_cpu operations, 
while reducing clocks spent in remote operations (drain_all_stock).

In RT case, since local locks are already spinlocks, this cost is 
already paid, so we can get results like these:

drain_all_stock
cpus	Upstream 	Patched		Diff (cycles)	Diff(%)
1	44331.10831	38978.03581	-5353.072507	-12.07520567
8	43992.96512	39026.76654	-4966.198572	-11.2886198
128	156274.6634	58053.87421	-98220.78915	-62.85138425

Upstream: Clocks to schedule work on remote CPU (performing not accounted)
Patched:  Clocks to grab remote cpu's spinlock and perform the needed work 
	  locally.

Do you have other suggestions to use as (micro-) benchmarking?

Thanks!
Leo


> 
> Regards,
> Boqun
> 
> > > Also, there is no need to worry about extra cache bouncing:
> > > The cacheline invalidation already happens due to schedule_work_on().
> > > 
> > > This will avoid schedule_work_on(), and thus avoid scheduling-out an 
> > > RT workload. 
> > > 
> > > For patches 2, 3 & 4, I noticed just grabing the lock and executing
> > > the function locally is much faster than just scheduling it on a
> > > remote cpu.
> > > 
> > > Proposed solution:
> > > A new interface called Queue PerCPU Work (QPW), which should replace
> > > Work Queue in the above mentioned use case. 
> > > 
> > > If PREEMPT_RT=n, this interfaces just wraps the current 
> > > local_locks + WorkQueue behavior, so no expected change in runtime.
> > > 
> > > If PREEMPT_RT=y, queue_percpu_work_on(cpu,...) will lock that cpu's
> > > per-cpu structure and perform work on it locally. This is possible
> > > because on functions that can be used for performing remote work on
> > > remote per-cpu structures, the local_lock (which is already
> > > a this_cpu spinlock()), will be replaced by a qpw_spinlock(), which
> > > is able to get the per_cpu spinlock() for the cpu passed as parameter.
> > > 
> > > Patch 1 implements QPW interface, and patches 2, 3 & 4 replaces the
> > > current local_lock + WorkQueue interface by the QPW interface in
> > > swap, memcontrol & slub interface.
> > > 
> > > Please let me know what you think on that, and please suggest
> > > improvements.
> > > 
> > > Thanks a lot!
> > > Leo
> > > 
> > > Leonardo Bras (4):
> > >   Introducing qpw_lock() and per-cpu queue & flush work
> > >   swap: apply new queue_percpu_work_on() interface
> > >   memcontrol: apply new queue_percpu_work_on() interface
> > >   slub: apply new queue_percpu_work_on() interface
> > > 
> > >  include/linux/qpw.h | 88 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >  mm/memcontrol.c     | 20 ++++++-----
> > >  mm/slub.c           | 26 ++++++++------
> > >  mm/swap.c           | 26 +++++++-------
> > >  4 files changed, 127 insertions(+), 33 deletions(-)
> > >  create mode 100644 include/linux/qpw.h
> > > 
> > > 
> > > base-commit: 50736169ecc8387247fe6a00932852ce7b057083
> > 
> 

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