linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] mm: huge_memory: don't start_stop

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Message-ID: <49070850-04e2-4bce-b182-ccd527a8b3d7@arm.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 12:06:36 +0100
From: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@...il.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
 linux-mm@...ck.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
 Barry Song <v-songbaohua@...o.com>, Lance Yang <ioworker0@...il.com>,
 Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@...ux.alibaba.com>, Yang Shi <shy828301@...il.com>,
 Zi Yan <ziy@...dia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: huge_memory: don't start_stop_khugepaged for non-PMD
 THP

On 26/07/2024 12:00, Barry Song wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 10:45 PM Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com> wrote:
>>
>> On 26/07/2024 11:04, Barry Song wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 9:48 PM David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 26.07.24 11:43, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>>>>> On 26/07/2024 09:28, Barry Song wrote:
>>>>>> From: Barry Song <v-songbaohua@...o.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> khugepaged will be automatically started when PMD-sized THP is enabled
>>>>>> (either of the per-size anon control or the top-level control are set
>>>>>> to "always" or "madvise"), and it'll be automatically shutdown when
>>>>>> PMD-sized THP is disabled (when both the per-size anon control and the
>>>>>> top-level control are "never").
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems unnecessary to call start_stop_khugepaged() for non-PMD THP,
>>>>>> as it would only waste CPU time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cc: Lance Yang <ioworker0@...il.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com>
>>>>>> Cc: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@...ux.alibaba.com>
>>>>>> Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Yang Shi <shy828301@...il.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Zi Yan <ziy@...dia.com>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Barry Song <v-songbaohua@...o.com>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>   mm/huge_memory.c | 2 +-
>>>>>>   1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/mm/huge_memory.c b/mm/huge_memory.c
>>>>>> index 41460847988c..bd365e35acf7 100644
>>>>>> --- a/mm/huge_memory.c
>>>>>> +++ b/mm/huge_memory.c
>>>>>> @@ -514,7 +514,7 @@ static ssize_t thpsize_enabled_store(struct kobject *kobj,
>>>>>>      } else
>>>>>>              ret = -EINVAL;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -    if (ret > 0) {
>>>>>> +    if (ret > 0 && order == HPAGE_PMD_ORDER) {
>>>>>>              int err;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              err = start_stop_khugepaged();
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I see this as a bit of a layering violation; its
>>>>> start_stop_khugepaged() that should decide the policy for when to start and stop
>>>>> the daemon. thpsize_enabled_store() should just be calling
>>>>> start_stop_khugepaged() to notify that something potentially pertinent to the a
>>>>> policy decision has changed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My impression is that it slightly deviates from the huge page documentation in
>>> Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst.
>>>
>>> khugepaged will be automatically started when PMD-sized THP is enabled
>>> (either of the per-size anon control or the top-level control are set
>>> to "always" or "madvise"), and it'll be automatically shutdown when
>>> PMD-sized THP is disabled (when both the per-size anon control and the
>>> top-level control are "never").
>>
>> But start_stop_khugepaged() doesn't unconditionally start khugepaged, it takes
>> action based on hugepage_pmd_enabled() which only returns true if there are any
>> pmd sized THP enabled (currently looking at anon and file, but should also look
>> at shmem in future; that's a known bug that's been there forever). So I don't
>> think it is inconsistent with the documentation?
> 
> My point is that, as a code reader, if non-PMD sizes are never
> involved with khugepaged,
> we can proceed without needing to check the lower-layer code.
> otherwise it is a bit
> confusing, especially since start_stop_khugepaged() unconditionally calls
> set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() for all sizes, regardless of whether
> they are PMD.
> 
> However, I agree with your point that if non-PMD sizes are eventually managed by
> khugepaged, then this approach is flawed. This is the downside of this change.

Yes, I'd hope that eventually khugepaged will support non-PMD sizes. That's
something we are hoping to look at later this year. So my personal preference is
to leave as is.

> 
>>
>>>
>>> non-PMD size is not involved in khugepaged, but I agree the policy might change
>>> in the future.
>>>
>>>> Agreed, skimming the subject I was under the impression that we would be
>>>> fixing something here.
>>>
>>> working on another swapin_enabled and reviewing the enabled source code.
>>> I don't need this startstop for all sizes in that case, so I made a
>>> quick adjustment
>>> to this part as well. If neither of you likes it, that's fine with me :-)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> David / dhildenb
>>>>
> 
> Thanks
> Barry