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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2024 09:40:38 -0700
From: Charlie Jenkins <charlie@...osinc.com>
To: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@...osinc.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] RISC-V: mm: do not treat hint addr on mmap as the
 upper bound to search

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 09:33:11AM -0700, Palmer Dabbelt wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 01:05:15 PDT (-0700), cyy@...self.name wrote:
> > Previous patch series[1][2] changes a mmap behavior that treats the hint
> > address as the upper bound of the mmap address range. The motivation of the
> > previous patch series is that some user space software may assume 48-bit
> > address space and use higher bits to encode some information, which may
> > collide with large virtual address space mmap may return. However, to make
> > sv48 by default, we don't need to change the meaning of the hint address on
> > mmap as the upper bound of the mmap address range. This behavior breaks
> > some user space software like Chromium that gets ENOMEM error when the hint
> > address + size is not big enough, as specified in [3].
> > 
> > Other ISAs with larger than 48-bit virtual address space like x86, arm64,
> > and powerpc do not have this special mmap behavior on hint address. They
> > all just make 48-bit / 47-bit virtual address space by default, and if a
> > user space software wants to large virtual address space, it only need to
> > specify a hint address larger than 48-bit / 47-bit.
> > 
> > Thus, this patch series change mmap to use sv48 by default but does not
> > treat the hint address as the upper bound of the mmap address range. After
> > this patch, the behavior of mmap will align with existing behavior on other
> > ISAs with larger than 48-bit virtual address space like x86, arm64, and
> > powerpc. The user space software will no longer need to rewrite their code
> > to fit with this special mmap behavior only on RISC-V.
> 
> So it actually looks like we just screwed up the original version of this:
> the reason we went with the more complicated address splits were than we
> actually started with a defacto 39-bit page table uABI (ie 38-bit user VAs),
> and moving to even 48-bit page tables (ie, 47-bit user VAs) broke users
> (here's an ASAN bug, for example:
> https://github.com/google/android-riscv64/issues/64).
> 
> Unless I'm missing something, though, the code doesn't actually do that.  I
> remember having that discussion at some point, but I must have forgotten to
> make sure it worked.  As far as I can tell we've just moved to the 48-bit
> VAs by default, which breaks the whole point of doing the compatibilty
> stuff.  Probably a good sign I need to pay more attention to this stuff.
> 
> So I'm not really sure what to do here: we can just copy the arm64 behavior
> at tell the other users that's just how things work, but then we're just
> pushing around breakages.  At a certain point all we can really do with this
> hint stuff is push around problems, though, and at least if we copy arm64
> then most of those problems get reported as bugs for us.

Relying on the hint address in any capacity will push around breakages
is my perspective as well. I messed this up from the start. I believe
the only way to have consistent behavior is to mark mmap relying on the
hint address as a bug, and only rely on the hint address if a flag
defines the behavior.

There is an awkward window of releases that will have this "buggy"
behavior. However, since the mmap changes introduced a variety of
userspace bugs it seems acceptable to revert to the previous behavior
and to create a consistent path forward.

- Charlie

> 
> > Note: Charlie also created another series [4] to completely remove the
> > arch_get_mmap_end and arch_get_mmap_base behavior based on the hint address
> > and size. However, this will cause programs like Go and Java, which need to
> > store information in the higher bits of the pointer, to fail on Sv57
> > machines.
> > 
> > Changes in v3:
> > - Rebase to newest master
> > - Changes some information in cover letter after patchset [2]
> > - Use patch [5] to patch selftests
> > - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/tencent_B2D0435BC011135736262764B511994F4805@qq.com/
> > 
> > Changes in v2:
> > - correct arch_get_mmap_end and arch_get_mmap_base
> > - Add description in documentation about mmap behavior on kernel v6.6-6.7.
> > - Improve commit message and cover letter
> > - Rebase to newest riscv/for-next branch
> > - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/tencent_F3B3B5AB1C9D704763CA423E1A41F8BE0509@qq.com/
> > 
> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20230809232218.849726-1-charlie@rivosinc.com/
> > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20240130-use_mmap_hint_address-v3-0-8a655cfa8bcb@rivosinc.com/
> > [3] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/MEYP282MB2312A08FF95D44014AB78411C68D2@MEYP282MB2312.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM/
> > [4] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20240826-riscv_mmap-v1-0-cd8962afe47f@rivosinc.com/
> > [5] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20240826-riscv_mmap-v1-2-cd8962afe47f@rivosinc.com/
> > 
> > Charlie Jenkins (1):
> >   riscv: selftests: Remove mmap hint address checks
> > 
> > Yangyu Chen (2):
> >   RISC-V: mm: not use hint addr as upper bound
> >   Documentation: riscv: correct sv57 kernel behavior
> > 
> >  Documentation/arch/riscv/vm-layout.rst        | 43 ++++++++----
> >  arch/riscv/include/asm/processor.h            | 20 ++----
> >  .../selftests/riscv/mm/mmap_bottomup.c        |  2 -
> >  .../testing/selftests/riscv/mm/mmap_default.c |  2 -
> >  tools/testing/selftests/riscv/mm/mmap_test.h  | 67 -------------------
> >  5 files changed, 36 insertions(+), 98 deletions(-)

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