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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 01:47:49 +0800
From: Yangyu Chen <cyy@...self.name>
To: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@...osinc.com>
Cc: linux-riscv@...ts.infradead.org,
 Charlie Jenkins <charlie@...osinc.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] RISC-V: mm: do not treat hint addr on mmap as the
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> On Aug 28, 2024, at 00:33, Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@...osinc.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 01:05:15 PDT (-0700), cyy@...self.name wrote:
>> Previous patch series[1][2] changes a mmap behavior that treats the hint
>> address as the upper bound of the mmap address range. The motivation of the
>> previous patch series is that some user space software may assume 48-bit
>> address space and use higher bits to encode some information, which may
>> collide with large virtual address space mmap may return. However, to make
>> sv48 by default, we don't need to change the meaning of the hint address on
>> mmap as the upper bound of the mmap address range. This behavior breaks
>> some user space software like Chromium that gets ENOMEM error when the hint
>> address + size is not big enough, as specified in [3].
>> 
>> Other ISAs with larger than 48-bit virtual address space like x86, arm64,
>> and powerpc do not have this special mmap behavior on hint address. They
>> all just make 48-bit / 47-bit virtual address space by default, and if a
>> user space software wants to large virtual address space, it only need to
>> specify a hint address larger than 48-bit / 47-bit.
>> 
>> Thus, this patch series change mmap to use sv48 by default but does not
>> treat the hint address as the upper bound of the mmap address range. After
>> this patch, the behavior of mmap will align with existing behavior on other
>> ISAs with larger than 48-bit virtual address space like x86, arm64, and
>> powerpc. The user space software will no longer need to rewrite their code
>> to fit with this special mmap behavior only on RISC-V.
> 
> So it actually looks like we just screwed up the original version of this: the reason we went with the more complicated address splits were than we actually started with a defacto 39-bit page table uABI (ie 38-bit user VAs), and moving to even 48-bit page tables (ie, 47-bit user VAs) broke users (here's an ASAN bug, for example: https://github.com/google/android-riscv64/issues/64).  
> Unless I'm missing something, though, the code doesn't actually do that.  I remember having that discussion at some point, but I must have forgotten to make sure it worked.  As far as I can tell we've just moved to the 48-bit VAs by default, which breaks the whole point of doing the compatibilty stuff.  Probably a good sign I need to pay more attention to this stuff.
> 

It seems the issues have been solved in LLVM D139823 [1] and LLVM D152895 [2].

[1] https://reviews.llvm.org/D139823
[2] https://reviews.llvm.org/D152895

> So I'm not really sure what to do here: we can just copy the arm64 behavior at tell the other users that's just how things work, but then we're just pushing around breakages.  At a certain point all we can really do with this hint stuff is push around problems, though, and at least if we copy arm64 then most of those problems get reported as bugs for us.
> 
>> Note: Charlie also created another series [4] to completely remove the
>> arch_get_mmap_end and arch_get_mmap_base behavior based on the hint address
>> and size. However, this will cause programs like Go and Java, which need to
>> store information in the higher bits of the pointer, to fail on Sv57
>> machines.
>> 
>> Changes in v3:
>> - Rebase to newest master
>> - Changes some information in cover letter after patchset [2]
>> - Use patch [5] to patch selftests
>> - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/tencent_B2D0435BC011135736262764B511994F4805@qq.com/
>> 
>> Changes in v2:
>> - correct arch_get_mmap_end and arch_get_mmap_base
>> - Add description in documentation about mmap behavior on kernel v6.6-6.7.
>> - Improve commit message and cover letter
>> - Rebase to newest riscv/for-next branch
>> - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/tencent_F3B3B5AB1C9D704763CA423E1A41F8BE0509@qq.com/
>> 
>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20230809232218.849726-1-charlie@rivosinc.com/
>> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20240130-use_mmap_hint_address-v3-0-8a655cfa8bcb@rivosinc.com/
>> [3] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/MEYP282MB2312A08FF95D44014AB78411C68D2@MEYP282MB2312.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM/
>> [4] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20240826-riscv_mmap-v1-0-cd8962afe47f@rivosinc.com/
>> [5] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20240826-riscv_mmap-v1-2-cd8962afe47f@rivosinc.com/
>> 
>> Charlie Jenkins (1):
>>  riscv: selftests: Remove mmap hint address checks
>> 
>> Yangyu Chen (2):
>>  RISC-V: mm: not use hint addr as upper bound
>>  Documentation: riscv: correct sv57 kernel behavior
>> 
>> Documentation/arch/riscv/vm-layout.rst        | 43 ++++++++----
>> arch/riscv/include/asm/processor.h            | 20 ++----
>> .../selftests/riscv/mm/mmap_bottomup.c        |  2 -
>> .../testing/selftests/riscv/mm/mmap_default.c |  2 -
>> tools/testing/selftests/riscv/mm/mmap_test.h  | 67 -------------------
>> 5 files changed, 36 insertions(+), 98 deletions(-)

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