linux-kernel - RE: [PATCH v5 03/16] x86/bugs: Restructure MMIO mitigation

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 13:28:14 +0000
From: "Kaplan, David" <David.Kaplan@....com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>
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Subject: RE: [PATCH v5 03/16] x86/bugs: Restructure MMIO mitigation

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> From: Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>
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> To: Kaplan, David <David.Kaplan@....com>
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> On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 08:31:25PM +0000, Kaplan, David wrote:
> > verw_mitigation_selected implies that X86_FEATURE_CLEAR_CPU_BUF will
> > be enabled, which does a VERW on kernel/vmm exits.
>
> Does it imply that though? As explained, it simply says that *a* VERW mitigation
> has been selected.
>
> And only in the MMIO case which mandates that both spots - kernel entry and
> VMENTER - should be mitigated, it basically says that this
> CLEAR_CPU_BUFFERS macro should be active. And that macro does VERW on
> kernel entry and right before VMLAUNCH.

It was the intent to imply that.  If you look at patch 1, 2, and 4 then if verw_mitigation_selected is ever set to true, it means that some mitigation is going to force X86_FEATURE_CLEAR_CPU_BUF.

Maybe the solution here is to clarify the comment above verw_mitigation_selected that it is set if any of those 4 bugs are going to enable X86_FEATURE_CLEAR_CPU_BUF.  So it implies that specific VERW-based mitigation.

Or perhaps I could even rename the variable to be 'clear_cpu_buf_selected'?

>
> And when the machine is not affected by MDS+TAA, then it enables this
> cpu_buf_vm_clear thing which does VERW in C code, a bit earlier before
> VMLAUNCH.
>
> > So I'm not sure the comment is really wrong, but it can be rephrased.
>
> Yes please.
>
> > But it kind of does.  !verw_mitigation_selected means that the
> > X86_FEATURE bit there isn't set.  So the VMM-based mitigation (the
> > static branch) is only used if the broader X86_FEATURE_CLEAR_CPU_BUF
> > is not being used.
>
> Right, except that implication is not fully clear, I think.
>
> > I'm ok with this patch, as long as 'full VERW mitigation' is
> > considered a clear enough term.  I think the updated comment in the
> > apply function does explain what that means, so if that's good enough
> > I'm ok.
>
> Right.
>
> So, I did beef up the comments some and renamed the key. Diff ontop of yours
> below. How does that look?
>

I think clarifying what verw_mitigation_selected means is better.  When that becomes clear, I think that the existing comments make sense.

Thanks
--David Kaplan